rickair7777

They negotiate with what they have which isn't much, and they also spend an undue amount of energy on what appear to be special interest items which would be good for a few sapa reps (home basing, retiree repos, etc). Aside from not having a union, the bigger issue is the history and momentum... the company knows about how far the pilot group will roll over.

Today they're pushing it much farther than they would in the past, and getting away with it because most everybody wants to get their time and move on (Almost all the FO's and at least half the CA's). The ones who wanted to make it a home are getting caught up in the mess, getting fed up, putting apps out, and ceasing to care much.

While I don't see eye-to-eye with him on much lately, RJ himself would prefer alpa, but he works with what he has.

But like others have said, they're still filling classes. About half the new-hires are older folks, career changers or 91 types coming over... if they choose SKW it's for the western bases, and a few grand (or tens of grand) for the first 1-3 years probably isn't going to get people like that to move to ORF, PHL, NYC, IAD, etc. Growth and bases has a lot of appeal to a lot of people.

N1234

The problem is that the recent growth has been anywhere but the western bases. So I am not sure how attractive that base diversity value proposition is gonna be long term.

But as you said - so far we are filling classes just fine.

rickair7777

Long term, the newhires know they can get back west. Not the case with PSA, PDT, RAH, 9E, MQ, etc.

HermannGraf

I am not so sure we are “filling classes just fine”

If we are then can someone please explain why Skywest as only Regional is over in Australia recruiting pilots to come to the US and work?

We have over 30 Australian pilot’s in DTW working for Skywest without US passports or Greencards. They are here working with temporary work visas sponsored by Skywest and Skywest recruited these pilots in Australia.

Why would the company be recruiting in Australia if we are filling classes just fine here?

Jonneaux

Portland went from 16 crews to 75 in a year. Seattle saw similar growth on the 175. San Diego Just opened and now has 45 175 crews. At least fifteen and perhaps as many as 24 175s coming in the next year for Alaska, all west coast. Thirty 175s coming next year for Delta, many if not most will go to LAX and SEA.

If that's not west coast growth, I don't know what is.

By comparison, Horizon might get 13 more 175s next year, and they might not get any. If they put the 175 in Portland, all of the Captain slots for the next year will go 20+ years senior. You would probably get stuck in the Q with brutal, garbage schedules.

Compass? Where else are you going to go if you want the west coast?

TogaParty

20 of those Delta 175s are going to Chicago. I’d bet money the remaining 10 will do the same or be used to start a NYC base.
All west coast growth will come from the Alaska side.

N1234

And CRJ PDX is gone, SEA CRJ will be gone soon....

Yes, SAN is good news and the AS birds will help. But don't count on ant DL 175SC to go west of Chicago.

Jonneaux

There are 40+ CRJ crews in SEA. If the CRJ leaves SEA it will be replaced by ERJs. But there is no talk of even pulling the CRJs from SEA other than the 8 that are covering for Horizon. Horizon will need a net gain of at least 80 pilots take that flying back. I believe they are, maybe, a net gain of five per month. Not going to happen next year.

They left PDX because it was all Alaska flying and they were replaced by ERJs.

LittleFerryBoy

Aiming to get a class date and relocate to Denver this coming summer. Most important QOL factors for me are upgrade time and living in base (two things that seem hard to come by in DEN). With that, is the CRJ or ERJ a better move?

Side note: These forums have scared me off from TSA/GoJet.

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Wise choice........