Skywest v2.0
12-03-2017, 11:29 AM
#9501
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 846
Skywest v2.0
You should have signed a 20 year contract then, if it doesn’t make a difference. Is this like the last pay deal that allows management to unilaterally increase first year pay as well?
Five year deals nowadays is just giving away leverage.
Last edited by Nevjets; 12-03-2017 at 11:48 AM.
12-03-2017, 12:41 PM
#9502
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,238
We have been netting 50 a month. 45 new aircraft is ruff math 600 pilots needed. Were over staffed on the ERJ to begin with. So OO will be nust fine the next year.. after that the Demand at the Majors starts to spike and things will get interesting..
12-03-2017, 12:55 PM
#9503
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 34
It’s not like SkyWest is the only one taxing, or the only airline in the sky. I shake my head every time I hear ATC say, SkyWest 1234, say speed. Uh, 250 knots. Can you go faster? Sure, what do you need? Is dispatch filling your TAS that slow? Maybe, the answer is to get a contract that pays block or scheduled whichever is greater like most other airlines, and fly normal
how about.....no? we're doing just fine over here. watch and see, hopefully you learn quick.
12-03-2017, 01:21 PM
#9504
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Downward Dog
Posts: 1,875
I don’t see the issue with credit or better. It’s actually genius to align incentives between all three groups.
Last month I was awarded “x” block. Looking back I flew “x” block.
I was awarded “x” + 10% for credit.
Looking back I was paid “x” + 14%. I was paid for every hour I flew + 14%, I think we have bigger other items to spend bargaining capital on.
Our customers track fuel consumption very closely and our executing the block saves them $. They don’t want early and they don’t want late.
Last month I was awarded “x” block. Looking back I flew “x” block.
I was awarded “x” + 10% for credit.
Looking back I was paid “x” + 14%. I was paid for every hour I flew + 14%, I think we have bigger other items to spend bargaining capital on.
Our customers track fuel consumption very closely and our executing the block saves them $. They don’t want early and they don’t want late.
12-03-2017, 06:12 PM
#9505
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 130
First of all, while SAPA presented that despicable pay package, you all didn’t have to accept it. This day and age, with the pay trending up the way it is why would you lock yourself into a 5 year deal for the promise of growth that you know SkyWest would do anyway based on their long history.
12-03-2017, 06:15 PM
#9506
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 130
This is the mentality I'm talking about. We have no commuter hotels, no commuter parking, no retention bonuses, no overtime for 85+ hours, no per diem protection for displacement, no guaranteed interview, no flow, no real representation......so what do we have? West coast bases and a turkey coupon. Yea, we're doing just fine.
Last edited by EFBprobs; 12-03-2017 at 06:25 PM.
12-03-2017, 07:02 PM
#9507
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 846
Skywest v2.0
I don’t see the issue with credit or better. It’s actually genius to align incentives between all three groups.
Last month I was awarded “x” block. Looking back I flew “x” block.
I was awarded “x” + 10% for credit.
Looking back I was paid “x” + 14%. I was paid for every hour I flew + 14%, I think we have bigger other items to spend bargaining capital on.
Our customers track fuel consumption very closely and our executing the block saves them $. They don’t want early and they don’t want late.
Last month I was awarded “x” block. Looking back I flew “x” block.
I was awarded “x” + 10% for credit.
Looking back I was paid “x” + 14%. I was paid for every hour I flew + 14%, I think we have bigger other items to spend bargaining capital on.
Our customers track fuel consumption very closely and our executing the block saves them $. They don’t want early and they don’t want late.
Not that I necessarily agree with your premise to begin with but how is having block or better not aligning incentives? The only people that historical block hurt is the crew.
12-03-2017, 07:22 PM
#9508
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 34
This is the mentality I'm talking about. We have no commuter hotels, no commuter parking, no retention bonuses, no overtime for 85+ hours, no per diem protection for displacement, no guaranteed interview, no flow, no real representation......so what do we have? West coast bases and a turkey coupon. Yea, we're doing just fine.
And the last guy touched on why we fly slow, no reason to touch on that. If someone wants to be the guy who flys as fast as possible just to get to a busy airport early and your gate is occupied and sit there for 45 minutes go right ahead.
Last edited by gainzbruh; 12-03-2017 at 07:35 PM.
12-03-2017, 08:34 PM
#9509
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,604
I don’t see the issue with credit or better. It’s actually genius to align incentives between all three groups.
Last month I was awarded “x” block. Looking back I flew “x” block.
I was awarded “x” + 10% for credit.
Looking back I was paid “x” + 14%. I was paid for every hour I flew + 14%, I think we have bigger other items to spend bargaining capital on.
Our customers track fuel consumption very closely and our executing the block saves them $. They don’t want early and they don’t want late.
Last month I was awarded “x” block. Looking back I flew “x” block.
I was awarded “x” + 10% for credit.
Looking back I was paid “x” + 14%. I was paid for every hour I flew + 14%, I think we have bigger other items to spend bargaining capital on.
Our customers track fuel consumption very closely and our executing the block saves them $. They don’t want early and they don’t want late.
12-03-2017, 10:31 PM
#9510
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Downward Dog
Posts: 1,875
I do. I do get it.
I “missed” out on .38% of pay last month because of “credit or better” instead of “block or better”
Yet I was paid 14% more than I blocked.
.38% is a very small price to pay to know that 4,500 pilots are out there rowing this airline in the same direction.
Careful what you wish for.
We’ve all been in plenty of OAL J/S to know we don’t want that fuel wasting at a contract airline.
Incentive.
I “missed” out on .38% of pay last month because of “credit or better” instead of “block or better”
Yet I was paid 14% more than I blocked.
.38% is a very small price to pay to know that 4,500 pilots are out there rowing this airline in the same direction.
Careful what you wish for.
We’ve all been in plenty of OAL J/S to know we don’t want that fuel wasting at a contract airline.
Incentive.
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