amcnd

We traded 100 aircraft growth for this.. some could consider that a quality of life improvement and advancement... im my base and seat I won’t see that until i go to the ERJ.. but when i do. It will definitely pay off with the growth in schedule and being able to get the vacation blocks i want.. it will come down to staffing, can we get the people As of now seems like we do. And the lure of 1 week captain upgrade is a bonus for anyone with 121 time. I still don’t see a drop in people interviewing.. honestly for me the Endeavor TA realy doesn’t make my pay look less. They onky go to 15 years $122hr 900. Im 20 on the 20 year $121... and i still get 10-15k in bonus.. they are done with bonuses... now someone on 5-10 year scale thats a different story...

TheFly

Stuck mic in DTW today. Apparently one of our pilotos thinks ORD ground control is better than DTWs. Went on for at least 5 mins..quite a circus.

WesternSkies

Truth hurts.

amcnd

You need to read more of my resent post... regionals are “regionals” step that stone!! Get out!! Im part of that “lost generation” that basically got paused for 10 year. Actually worked out for me. Im a free bird soon. Kids grown, and time has come to move on. Glad i got stuck were i did.. go to the regional that best fits your life for the next 5 years. And move on plan and simple... im in the west so Endeavor pay wouldn’t temp me as a new guy. Geographics would.. because in 5 years the new guys will be at Majors. So who care what a 10 year Endeavor air captain makes.. (only the people that get stuck do)

Five93H

Boy I've lost count of the number of guys I've met who only expected to be at an RJ for 5 years and were passing 10, 15 years. Sure plan for not needing that 15 year payrate, but nice to have in your back pocket.

amcnd

Those days are over. (I was caught in that) Now most of those guys are “lazy” and dont want to apply themselves... but its surprisingly easyer then I thought to move on..

MidnightHauler

Dude, I don't know why you can't understand that not everyone at Skywest suddenly doesn't hate their job here just because of a lousy new TA. So what.....it's still better than what was there before. No, it's not great, but still a little better than before. I voted no because I wanted a little more negotiation, but realize it's still a regional and we're a subcontractor who has to keep our rates competitive to secure long term contracts. I think it sucks that it didn't go to negotiation, but now that we're past that, I realize the company will do what they want anyways. Regional flying is dying, whether you see that or not, and anything we can secure right now for four major partners within the next few years is good. If we all wanted, we can price ourselves right out of business. Pay big bonuses to new hires who'll leave soon, raise pay 10% or more, and pay profit sharing on top of that, we'd close up shop during the next economic downturn.
I've read many of your previous posts and all you do is blame pilots for what management decided on. Get over it. It is what it is and many here at Skywest are looking long term at a dying side of flying. It's not about big money right now, it's about securing jobs for as long as possible. Most here like their jobs, like being based out west, like their QOL, and want to stay here both short term or long term. And please.......don't give me the stupid worn-out crap talk about how pilots have power with their feet or some garbage like that. Many of us who've been in this industry 20 years or longer know that management will find someone else to replace those who walk. I'd rather be here with a job right now making more than I've ever made from any flying job versus being on the street right now.

Nevjets

Your traded 100 growth aircraft (is it really 100?) for locking yourself into a five year deal with 6% pay raises? Do you honestly believe that, however many aircraft have been announced, was going to be held back by a non-binding pay deal for at-will pilot employees?

And the question still remains if these supposed growth aircraft will be able to be staffed considering other regionals’ (not just endeavor) pay, bonuses, career progression provisions, fast upgrades or combination thereof. If Skywest cannot, they simply park the 53 crj200s that only need 30-120 days notice (as opposed to the multi-year CPAs all the other aircraft are tied to).

As for the pay scale years of service, I rather be topped out at 15 years (or less) than needing an additional 3 years to get to the rate endeavor pilots are getting. Also, you mention your vacation, how is that dismal accrual? Still bottom of the industry? That alone would increase EVERYONE’s QOL if only it was brought up to industry standard in the last pay package.

You make the point that this pay package is better for you. It sounds like it may well be and that’s fine. But that wasn’t your point earlier when you were telling all of us to reserve judgement on your pay package until and if the endeavor TA was voted in. That wasn’t an argument that it was better for you.

Lastly, if your $10-15k bonuses (at your 20 YOS $121/hr) is in any way tied to performance and or profit, then it can never be counted on. That was the whole point of the endeavor TA, to convert non-guaranteed bonuses into contractual, legally binding, pay rates for everyone.

amcnd

Like i said. This industry is changing... things are way different then 10 years ago. Who cares how makes $1.02 more a hour then me.. SkyWest served me well. My house is paid for, my kids are starting to leave the house, and i just cashed out 20 years worth of stock at $50 a share.. not to mention the 180hrs of Vacation and 230 hrs of user i get on my last check cashed out.. regionals ate regionals. SkyWest served me well. But everyone should take advantage of this pilot shortage opportunity..

Squibs

You didn't say I was wrong...