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04-26-2016, 06:49 AM
#921
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Broke
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There are a few that are really helpful, and then there are a few that you will learn to just hang up the phone when they answer....
04-26-2016, 06:57 AM
#922
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 261
CS makes me hate my life. When they need - your a dog. When you need- your a dog.
04-26-2016, 05:39 PM
#925
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: ERJ CA
Posts: 1,082
I am still not sure union make sense. They are a phenomenon of the past - area of early industrialization. There are plenty of business - in fact the majority of free enterprises - that work just fine or better without a union. Look at what unions have done to the manufacturing sector in the US and most recently the automotive industry. It took major bail outs and all the job growth is the the south with Japanese and European manufacturers without a union.
Not being able to switch jobs at the appropriate level and having to start over at the bottom is only related to the seniority system. And that is self-induced as in pilot induced. It is probably not gonna change ever but our own doing.
As for being paid for experience ... That is also a little misleading. People are generally paid for productivity. In many sectors that relates to experience to some extend.
Not being able to switch jobs at the appropriate level and having to start over at the bottom is only related to the seniority system. And that is self-induced as in pilot induced. It is probably not gonna change ever but our own doing.
As for being paid for experience ... That is also a little misleading. People are generally paid for productivity. In many sectors that relates to experience to some extend.
04-26-2016, 07:21 PM
#927
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 922
There are issues with it just like the are with any system, but it's interesting to think about
04-27-2016, 03:20 AM
#928
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
Seniority isn't the issue its pay based on longevity thats the issue. Slight difference.
04-27-2016, 05:01 AM
#929
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 472
I think both are issues.
As pointed out before pay needs to be in line with productivity and our productivity only changes with equipment size. That ultimately drives the acceptable average unit cost.
Wage distribution among the pilot group and longevity pay creates is own sets of problems because it damns an airline to constantly grow or at least to add a sufficient number of bodies at the bottom to keep the average unit cost down. At the end, management doesn't care how the money is distributed but only that the average unit cost are low enough. And that's a function of wage distribution across the pilot group, what we are paid on (credit vs. block) and how many hours they can squeeze out (90+) without increasing staffing and increasing training expenses.
The issue with seniority is that it isn't merit based.
Nobody graduate as a Valedictorian from HighSchool or College because you have spend the most amount of time there. People don't get management positions because they have the most seniority with a company. And that doesn't guarantee good management either. But the point is, it is merit based pretty much anywhere else.
Making captain is great but all it means is that you stuck around long enough for your number to come up. That doesn't make you a bad captain but it also doesn't mean you are a good captain. All it means you stuck around long enough.
I believe that is the primary reason that majors are so much into college degrees', community involvement, leadership etc. Because they are looking for merit based indicators of success than purely seniority based indicators.
Either way, the system will not change but it may explain some of the dynamics in the market place.
04-27-2016, 05:59 AM
#930
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: Prime Leader of Boko Harumph
Posts: 1,167
I think both are issues.
As pointed out before pay needs to be in line with productivity and our productivity only changes with equipment size. That ultimately drives the acceptable average unit cost.
Wage distribution among the pilot group and longevity pay creates is own sets of problems because it damns an airline to constantly grow or at least to add a sufficient number of bodies at the bottom to keep the average unit cost down. At the end, management doesn't care how the money is distributed but only that the average unit cost are low enough. And that's a function of wage distribution across the pilot group, what we are paid on (credit vs. block) and how many hours they can squeeze out (90+) without increasing staffing and increasing training expenses.
The issue with seniority is that it isn't merit based.
Nobody graduate as a Valedictorian from HighSchool or College because you have spend the most amount of time there. People don't get management positions because they have the most seniority with a company. And that doesn't guarantee good management either. But the point is, it is merit based pretty much anywhere else.
Making captain is great but all it means is that you stuck around long enough for your number to come up. That doesn't make you a bad captain but it also doesn't mean you are a good captain. All it means you stuck around long enough.
I believe that is the primary reason that majors are so much into college degrees', community involvement, leadership etc. Because they are looking for merit based indicators of success than purely seniority based indicators.
Either way, the system will not change but it may explain some of the dynamics in the market place.
As pointed out before pay needs to be in line with productivity and our productivity only changes with equipment size. That ultimately drives the acceptable average unit cost.
Wage distribution among the pilot group and longevity pay creates is own sets of problems because it damns an airline to constantly grow or at least to add a sufficient number of bodies at the bottom to keep the average unit cost down. At the end, management doesn't care how the money is distributed but only that the average unit cost are low enough. And that's a function of wage distribution across the pilot group, what we are paid on (credit vs. block) and how many hours they can squeeze out (90+) without increasing staffing and increasing training expenses.
The issue with seniority is that it isn't merit based.
Nobody graduate as a Valedictorian from HighSchool or College because you have spend the most amount of time there. People don't get management positions because they have the most seniority with a company. And that doesn't guarantee good management either. But the point is, it is merit based pretty much anywhere else.
Making captain is great but all it means is that you stuck around long enough for your number to come up. That doesn't make you a bad captain but it also doesn't mean you are a good captain. All it means you stuck around long enough.
I believe that is the primary reason that majors are so much into college degrees', community involvement, leadership etc. Because they are looking for merit based indicators of success than purely seniority based indicators.
Either way, the system will not change but it may explain some of the dynamics in the market place.
But keep trying, you might stumble upon it one day, much like a blind squirrel finds the illusive nut eventually.
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