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11-04-2017, 04:36 PM
#9051
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11-04-2017, 05:17 PM
#9052
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I think a lot of folks are operating under the (possibly correct) assumption that the big three are going to be hiring like gangbusters in a couple years, and that they may not need that much PIC (likely <500, if any), so why kill themselves doing a crappy commute to a crappy base to fly a crappy airplane with crappy new-hire FO's... in the dead of winter.
I would say if you're hell-bent on getting moving on and maximizing career seniority do not EVER for ANY reason pass up a career progression opportunity. An anticipated, intentional, six month delay can turn into an unanticipated, unintentional 6+ year delay in a heartbeat. BTDT.
I would say if you're hell-bent on getting moving on and maximizing career seniority do not EVER for ANY reason pass up a career progression opportunity. An anticipated, intentional, six month delay can turn into an unanticipated, unintentional 6+ year delay in a heartbeat. BTDT.
11-04-2017, 07:26 PM
#9053
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You'd get in big trouble for "skipping out".
The way the company views fatigue...
They'll pay if it's obvious that there were fatigue factors beyond your control.
They don't want to pay if they think you had opportunity for adequate circadian rest, but somehow that rest didn't happen. They also don't want to pay if they think you used fatigue just because you didn't feel like working later than scheduled on the last day... common if the victory lap is delayed and you're sitting in your own base.
11-05-2017, 04:11 AM
#9054
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Anyone know who to talk to about credit for a fatigue call? I was working a flight with no F.O. (4pm scheduled) & the flight was “delayed” until the following morning at 7:30am. To avoid staying at the airport indefinitely (last day of the trip), I called in fatigue. Even if I would have continued the trip at the time of the call, would have timed out at an out-station (I had 2 more legs to go).
Submit a report per your Fatigue Risk Management System. Your Fatigue review committee (faa, company, association members) should determine your fatigue level according to your sleep/awake schedule for your previous few days.
11-05-2017, 05:55 PM
#9055
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Anyone know who to talk to about credit for a fatigue call? I was working a flight with no F.O. (4pm scheduled) & the flight was “delayed” until the following morning at 7:30am. To avoid staying at the airport indefinitely (last day of the trip), I called in fatigue. Even if I would have continued the trip at the time of the call, would have timed out at an out-station (I had 2 more legs to go).
11-06-2017, 02:26 AM
#9056
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I wasn’t told anything beyond the flight was delayed because of no FO. I had 2 more legs to go, but only enough duty time to complete 1. I was out of my domicile (but a SKW base) during the fatigue call.
11-06-2017, 03:48 AM
#9057
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I wouldn’t have accepted that. If it is delayed to the point that you are no longer legal to fly it, it needs to be recrewed. Did you ask them what their plans were for the return flight that you wouldn’t be legal for?
Since they would have had to give to you 10 hours of rest, you wouldn’t have been required to fly that return flight the following day either.
Since they would have had to give to you 10 hours of rest, you wouldn’t have been required to fly that return flight the following day either.
11-06-2017, 03:53 AM
#9058
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The flight would cancel if no replacement.
You need to know the rest and duty rules, might have screwed yourself.
11-06-2017, 06:30 AM
#9059
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You would have been illegal for it so they would pull you off it ( with pay). Sometimes it takes a while for them to figure this out and what there're going to do.
The flight would cancel if no replacement.
You need to know the rest and duty rules, might have screwed yourself.
The flight would cancel if no replacement.
You need to know the rest and duty rules, might have screwed yourself.
Sounds like they needed to find a CA too.
They are a bit slow.
11-06-2017, 06:36 AM
#9060
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I wouldn’t have accepted that. If it is delayed to the point that you are no longer legal to fly it, it needs to be recrewed. Did you ask them what their plans were for the return flight that you wouldn’t be legal for?
Since they would have had to give to you 10 hours of rest, you wouldn’t have been required to fly that return flight the following day either.
Since they would have had to give to you 10 hours of rest, you wouldn’t have been required to fly that return flight the following day either.
If they can't easily replace you (typical, they're normally out of reserves by late afternoon at a hub) they will most DEFINITELY launch you on a one-way trip on your last day.
Outbound flight completes.
You time out and RON.
The return does NOT cancel, it is merely "delayed" for 10+ hours until the next morning.
After min rest, you work the delayed return leg on your day off. Bonus for the company.
If it's your last day in this situation, and you want/need to go home, fatigue is probably the way to go. You can check reserve coverage to make an informed decision.
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