HighFlight

Not trying to argue with you, but they called me in December and told me to get 500, then they would give me an interview.

Then I got an email and a phone call last week, saying all I need now is 250. So at least two different people in the recruiting department required, as recently as December, 500 hours.

skiK2

He doesn't know the real story, but MP was fired for legitimate reasons.

WaterRooster

I had to get 500 too. Hurts to see the money that was spent now that they only need 250.....

disillusioned

And if we see an increase in sick calls because everyone is being worked to the max, we will just change our realiability program. Everyone is able to see the company average rising, so let's change how the information is displayed and start sending vague threatening emails to those that cross our invisible threshold. And let's do this without any input from or communication to our pilot representative group (SAPA) It's weird because when Delta wanted to change their sick policy, they had to put it in the TA and have their pilots vote it in. Amazingly enough, it didn't pass because their pilots didn't feel what they were getting in return was worth what they were giving up.

Could have been very legitimate reasons. All I'm saying is there are several others that have done things that are legitimate reasons for getting fired and have kept their jobs. And there are others who have ****ed off CP's by calling in fatigued and get fired after handwriting "experts" link them to crew room graffiti.

Fall in line or pay the consequences. We don't have the ability to hold SGU accountable for their agreements, and when they violate our agreements with them, there are no consequences on their side.

WaterRooster

You mean that it is run like any other business that isn't unionized? You are describing private sector businesses. They account for the majority of the businesses in the US. I'm guessing you have never worked outside of the airlines? I'm sorry SGU doesn't have a union, it would be nice, but they don't... Trying to organize one is more work they anyone is going to take on at a regional. So you just suck it up, color between the lines, and get out so you can go to a shop with a union.

skiK2

No, that's not all you're saying. You only brought him up. There's plenty here that should be fired, but SGU is no longer wanting to fire pilots without cause. And when I say cause, normally multiple incidents. Their court failures of the past has cost them too much money, not to mention the bad press, so they're no longer firing for nothing.

Ask anyone at OO, and they'll say it takes a lot to get fired here. So stop your black helicopter spaz rhetoric. If you're fired here in this environment, it's just. I, like you, wish we had a union, but that won't happen here. Too many followers. But it's not that bad of a job, and if it were, you'd leave.

disillusioned

You mean jobs where you are paid for your experience and performance? Where your raises and promotions are based on your work and not just what day you started with the company? Where you can leave one job making a certain salary and not have to start completely over when you move jobs? I have worked outside the airlines and in those jobs a union wouldn't make sense.

Unfortunately, in the airline business everything is based on seniority. That is why it is so bad when it is violated here. I'm not preaching for a union. I'm just saying that this industry is one where we need protections. At the very minimum we need the protection of an enforceable contract. Management at SGU has a contract to protect them and I just think we should have the same.

Is offline

How well did that firing for the graffiti work for them? That was a vendetta between a chief and a capt. The capt got a very long paid vacation and his job back. The chief got removed. The rest of the story....

disillusioned

No black helicopter spaz. I feel that SAPA pushes the company rhetoric and they only want people in SAPA who will do the same. I honestly feel bad for our SAPA reps because I think they work their butts off but the company keeps them chasing their tail so that real issues never get fixed. How long have we been working on that reserve rewrite?? How many meetings between SAPA and management get cancelled? SGU has no idea how bad things have got and if they do hear anything, they dismiss it as the "vocal minority" Lots of people who had no desire to leave are now sitting on class dates or sitting right seat somewhere else. It is that bad that I am actively working on leaving.

And many will follow you out the door. But don't worry because we are filling our classes. So many little things could be done to slow the bleed but nothing will be done until it is full hemorage. Good luck on the new opportunity.

Tippy

Depends on what sim schedule you bid for.... I started the next day, other start times were staggered two days, four days.... up to like two and a half weeks.