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Old 10-12-2017, 01:07 PM
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You think those numbers are enough to even make a dent though? Delta announced 6000 pilots tried to sign up for their last job fair in the first minute the window opened. Crashed the server etc. I don't know. The pilot shortage seems to be such a myth sometimes. Maybe a regional pilot shortage is reality. I don't see any shortage of people wanting to fly mainline.
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Old 10-12-2017, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JKSees
Did anyone see that United announced hiring 2000 over the next 32 months? Obviously that number has bounced around a lot for a while while they get everything put back together over there. But I was thinking maybe this would put pressure on hiring departments across the board. Good news? or am I just a glass half full kinda person?
Unless you work for ExpressJet, CommutAir, Air Wisconsin, or the Lufthansa Flight school (Airline Training Center Arizona (ATCA)), then you will have very little to worry about. United is now required to hire the majority of all their pilots from those on the CPP list from those four companies.

Now if, and that is a big IF, you worked for one of those four companies AND passed the CPP interview, then it would be good news.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by No Lies
Unless you work for ExpressJet, CommutAir, Air Wisconsin, or the Lufthansa Flight school (Airline Training Center Arizona (ATCA)), then you will have very little to worry about. United is now required to hire the majority of all their pilots from those on the CPP list from those four companies.

Now if, and that is a big IF, you worked for one of those four companies AND passed the CPP interview, then it would be good news.
Has anyone actually been hired off the Lufthansa Flight School (Airline Training Center Arizona)?

I'm sure the interview is offered as per the agreement, it just seems like quite the jump, CFI to mainline. Regardless, it doesn't seem like a bad place to be a CFI at.

That program along with the Intern- Flight Ops program at United seem like the best way to get a leg up if someone wants to improve their chances of being hired at United. Intern - Flight Operations, Pilot- Professional Flight (Spring 2018) - Chicago, IL | United
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinEden
Has anyone actually been hired off the Lufthansa Flight School (Airline Training Center Arizona)?

I'm sure the interview is offered as per the agreement, it just seems like quite the jump, CFI to mainline. Regardless, it doesn't seem like a bad place to be a CFI at.

That program along with the Intern- Flight Ops program at United seem like the best way to get a leg up if someone wants to improve their chances of being hired at United. Intern - Flight Operations, Pilot- Professional Flight (Spring 2018) - Chicago, IL | United

The first ATCA instructors will start at United early next year.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:50 PM
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The first ATCA instructors will start at United early next year.
Awesome! Thanks for the info!
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gsphuntr
Including PER DIEM and "aggressive" pick up to brag about clearing 65k...ha, now that's funny. So, what you are really saying is the average FO who just fly's their line should clear around 50k a year as second in command of a 50 million dollar jet with 80 lives on board - roughly what a server or bartender at Applebee's makes.. your pay is garbage, and y'all voted in another 1 percent a year for 5 years when the ball was clearly in your court. And once again, other carriers are drastically raising the bar and SKYW management and the student council will surely run to the table in 12-18mos to coat tail... Some things never change...

This is regionals. Yes, other CARRIERS are raising the bar, but that's because those CARRIERS cannot hire pilots. Has nothing to do with the pilot groups, the best any pilot group can do is try to coerce the company into sharing with the old-hires a bit of the largess they're throwing at the new-hires.
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by damo1089
Hi guys.

The domiciles map on the website is down and I was kinda wondering, as someone starting soon, how easy it would be to get Denver as a base on the CRJ and what airline benefits apply to there?

Would we be talking a whole lot of months on reserve? If so I'd go somewhere with quicker reserve. Don't have any ties to anywhere, so can pretty much go where ever I am needed / wherever I want.

I would however like to bring my wife over asap and I'd imagine that a reserve wage is comparably low to holding a line? Would be be able to afford a roof and netflix?

I can see you all talking about the pay which is a bit of a downer. I'm starting in about 4 weeks. As someone transitioning from a C210 I felt like Skywest has the best training and the best visa support... To answer your question, yes, yes I am.
It's been running 4-5 months to get a line after you get to DEN. The CA side is fairly senior so I'd recommend moving to MSP or DTW for two or three years and live the good life on both sides of the cockpit.

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Old 10-12-2017, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JKSees
You think those numbers are enough to even make a dent though? Delta announced 6000 pilots tried to sign up for their last job fair in the first minute the window opened. Crashed the server etc. I don't know. The pilot shortage seems to be such a myth sometimes. Maybe a regional pilot shortage is reality. I don't see any shortage of people wanting to fly mainline.
I take a moderate stance myself. Worldwide (or more likely just Asia) we will experience acute pilot shortages for the next decade and a half. Here at home, accelerated career progression. I've learned to be happy with the prospect of career progression rather than wanting all out chaos. Even though the ratio of postitions to candidates is likely more favorable than its been in decades, the fact remains it is a lucrative profession that beats out many other careers the modern economy offers and therefore will always have a healthy level of interest. I seriously doubt regionals will close up shop until it makes financial sense for the majors to bring all that flying back in house. A new airframe could do that ? Or increased competition from LCCs but I doubt staffing will force a major overhaul of the business model, just modest wage adjustments like we are seeing at 9E. I bet the wages at 9E will be adequate to attract candidates for years to come.
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
This is regionals. Yes, other CARRIERS are raising the bar, but that's because those CARRIERS cannot hire pilots. Has nothing to do with the pilot groups, the best any pilot group can do is try to coerce the company into sharing with the old-hires a bit of the largess they're throwing at the new-hires.
I don't think Endeavor is having any trouble hiring.
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TogaParty
The first ATCA instructors will start at United early next year.







Of course they will...





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