Originally Posted by Duesenflieger

Enough! We do not want a union at our airline. What is it that you do not understand? Relations between pilots and management is rather good. There will always be a disenfranchised element of our pilot group that comes to post negative sentiment on APC. You know who you are. You do not speak for the greater majority of us who wish to see further expansion of our airline and more aircraft at the cost of lower pay. Proud to be at SkyWest We truly are the best regional and our success speaks volumes about us.

Originally Posted by Duesenflieger

I was being facetious. Sarcasm is hard to decipher online, haha. The scary thing is though that we have half a Roman legion's worth of pilots here who reason in such fashion.


It is only a matter of time before the AA wholly owneds copy what Endeavor is doing with their bonuses in order to compete for pilots. Once that happens, the SkyWest pilot payscale will be one of the lowest in the regional industry. What do you all reckon will happen thereafter? Management either raises pay for FOs and CAs or what is befalling Horizon will also engulf SkyWest as well.


The reason for the early introduction of the beschissen TA is now clear to me.


1) Management and our supposed "representatives" SAPA come to the pilots for a new pay package one year early. From insider knowledge, they know that Endeavor is about to do away with the bonuses and incorporate them directly into their pilot payscale. The TA at 9E will pass most likely. This would give SKYW pilots leverage in 2018 after their then current (now defunct) pay agreement would have expired. So they come to us early and make it out as if they are doing us a favor by offering so-so millions of dollars in the pay package. They desperately fling as much lies and propaganda to us as possible about how our pay is industry leading (HA HA HA HA HA).


2)Unfortunately the pilot group at SKYW drinks so much kool aid and it is so bad at understanding the art of business negotiation that it votes yes to the pay package and foolishly locks us all into an utterly lamentable pay agreement that denigrates the whole of the airline pilot profession. I give them credit for their craftiness though. The 2017 TA was designed to split the pilot group by offering the old-timers higher 401k and incentives to the junior pilots with promises of more aircraft. People like me who are in the middle are shafted. Then again there was also a sizeable demographic that didn't vote (met one guy who didn't even know that the TA had passed >_> I didn't find him too intelligent anyway).


I predict that in two years, management will be forced to raise pilot pay at SkyWest as other regionals mimic Endeavor's uppercut move with this new TA. I really have to commend Endeavor for holding the line for us all. With any luck this trend of increasing pay keeps up. DOWN WITH THE REGIONALS

Originally Posted by amcnd

Were close to the top... Endeavor hasn’t passed there TA yet.. I will compare W2’s any time...

Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight

Would you be willing to compare W2s with Endeavor after their TA passes? (it will pass)
What about with Air Wisconsin?
You are delusional if you honestly believe we are the at the top. We just passed a TA and we are still not the highest paid. In a few short months we will be right in the middle of the pack or worse.

Originally Posted by sn00p

What left me with a death stare was flying with people that literally asked, “what more do you want, you work at a regional?”

Originally Posted by gojo

That's exactly like it looks like from the outside looking in. Good post. Unfortunately, this last pay package has Skywest the laughing stock of the regional industry. I believe it could've/should've been much better. You're all worth much more

Originally Posted by EFBprobs

ORD CRJ FO here. The last thing I would ever want in this world is more flying. Please, for love of all things holy, stop sending airplanes to chicago. No more planes, we're drowning...pray for us!

Originally Posted by word302

Endeavor pilots have been making this much for over 3 years. Those bonuses are included on their W2s. They have been blowing us out of the water for years.

Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight

I know they have. Unfortunately, company cheerleaders like amcnd
would refuse to acknowledge it by claiming it's a temporary bonus. Finally now they will be forced to count it as it is added to their hourly pay.

Originally Posted by amcnd

I may be “pro company” but im not under knowing we need to be matching pay with other regionals.. im just not “jumpie” like
You guy. Endeavor hasn’t even voted on it yet. And lets see what comes out of the October sapa meeting (going on right now).... give it time boys and girls...