Skywest v2.0
10-07-2017, 10:10 AM
#8714
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,648
I don't think I'm making myself clear. Let me try again. Yes, management setup regionals to whipsaw their labor. But labor is not against each other because of it. Regional MEC's decide on their own (for better or worse) what is best for their pilot group. No one, and I mean NOBODY can compel ANY mec what to do or not do. Regional and major MEC's do the exact same thing. The difference being (in negotiations) is that major mec negotiate with management of their airline which sell their own tickets. This is the only reason why their is such a great disparity between regional and major compensation. But both MEC's receive advice from the same professional staff of attorneys and subject matter experts. It's up to each mec to do what they can considering the economics of their specific situation. There is ABSOLUTELY no conflict of interest. If there was, why were pilots from Alaska, Fedex, delta, and united helping out during the last ALPa organizing drive? Why would they want more regional pilots in conflict against their interests? Why would they want another regional to have to subsidize with their dues?
Look, I've been non-union and union. I've been on the mec and just a line pilot. I had a lot of misconceptions also, especially on unions in general. I'm telling you, it's not what you think. Even ALPA, with all its warts, is better than no union.
By the way, if you don't like ALPA, that's fine, and you don't think you can go independent (still better than nothing and gets rid of the true conflict of interest), then there is also the IBT. There are no excuses at this point.
One last thing, don't ignore the major part of what ALPA does. It's not negotiating contracts! It's the safety and security advocacy and the pilot representation aspect from dealing with management, government agencies, medical, and professional in all aspects of a pilots life.
Ok, go ahead and make personal attacks on me if that's all you have. I'm being served ok, by the way, nothing to get over. But the reason why this place is shrinking is because of the ineptitude of the CPAs negotiated by inc.
Expressjet was not going anywhere. At the time, xjt flew 244 aircraft for continental and there was no way that was going to go away. Just as delta didn't let republic nor pinnacle go away. And they had a lot less aircraft, collectively, flying for them. If it wasn't Skywest, it would've been someone else, probably, continental. This Skywest buyout had nothing to do with any union. If Skywest cared about their own employees, maybe things would be different. But they are fiduciary bound to their shareholders first. Something that a union provides their members.
Look, I've been non-union and union. I've been on the mec and just a line pilot. I had a lot of misconceptions also, especially on unions in general. I'm telling you, it's not what you think. Even ALPA, with all its warts, is better than no union.
By the way, if you don't like ALPA, that's fine, and you don't think you can go independent (still better than nothing and gets rid of the true conflict of interest), then there is also the IBT. There are no excuses at this point.
One last thing, don't ignore the major part of what ALPA does. It's not negotiating contracts! It's the safety and security advocacy and the pilot representation aspect from dealing with management, government agencies, medical, and professional in all aspects of a pilots life.
Ok, go ahead and make personal attacks on me if that's all you have. I'm being served ok, by the way, nothing to get over. But the reason why this place is shrinking is because of the ineptitude of the CPAs negotiated by inc.
Expressjet was not going anywhere. At the time, xjt flew 244 aircraft for continental and there was no way that was going to go away. Just as delta didn't let republic nor pinnacle go away. And they had a lot less aircraft, collectively, flying for them. If it wasn't Skywest, it would've been someone else, probably, continental. This Skywest buyout had nothing to do with any union. If Skywest cared about their own employees, maybe things would be different. But they are fiduciary bound to their shareholders first. Something that a union provides their members.
10-07-2017, 03:38 PM
#8715
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 155
Don’t sit reserve for anything less than 8:24 or double credit, whichever is greater.
10-07-2017, 04:07 PM
#8716
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,999
I've been a member on my regional MEC. You don't know what you are taking about. No one tells any MEC what to negotiate for, period. National provides attorneys and other specialist. But there are no pilots, other than those on that properties seniority list, that tell anyone anything as far as guidance on what to negotiate for.
There may be no incentive for one MEC to help another, which is precisely why no mec tells anyone else what to do. Each does what they feel is in their best interest. Most times those interest line up but sometimes they may not.
Lastly, MEC's as diverse as the demographics up the each base and seat. I'm my mec, I've seen senior, junior, old, young, reserve, line holder, instructor, men, women (in fact, one of them is an equal executive Vice President in ALPA national...oooh conflict of interest!). When I was serving, we had all those except a female.
I'm telling you, this whole ALPA conflict of interest is BS. The conflict of interest is in sapa. But if you don't like ALPA because you continue to believe it has a conflict of interest, you can certify sapa and have the best of both worlds.
There may be no incentive for one MEC to help another, which is precisely why no mec tells anyone else what to do. Each does what they feel is in their best interest. Most times those interest line up but sometimes they may not.
Lastly, MEC's as diverse as the demographics up the each base and seat. I'm my mec, I've seen senior, junior, old, young, reserve, line holder, instructor, men, women (in fact, one of them is an equal executive Vice President in ALPA national...oooh conflict of interest!). When I was serving, we had all those except a female.
I'm telling you, this whole ALPA conflict of interest is BS. The conflict of interest is in sapa. But if you don't like ALPA because you continue to believe it has a conflict of interest, you can certify sapa and have the best of both worlds.
The point being that some regional people like to represent alpa as something it's not, in some cases with a cultish religious fervor which far exceeds certain real religions I can think of. It's purely a business proposition, not a brotherly order or religion.
The potential benefits of unions at the regional level are limited... if you hit it out of the ballpark, you're heading for the comair gravyard eventually. The only way that could change is if a dedicated national regional union managed a one-list arrangement (don't hold your breath). Alpa national will of course not go there because the B-scale benefits their largest and most lucrative demographic.
Not even saying shun unions... but understand the limitations and pitfalls.
One last thing...I have to wonder if you spend all this time promoting alpa for SKW to possibly enable a CCP and SLI, thereby saving your job. Anyone who is going to vote for alpa at SKW needs to understand what a common carrier petition is. Might be better off with teamsters for that reason.
10-08-2017, 06:31 AM
#8717
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Guppy Gear Slinger
Posts: 1,984
All of that aside, the value of a unit of labor is utterly independent of the demand for shares in one company (or any company). The value of a unit of labor is simply determined by what buyers (in this case, airlines) are willing to pay for that labor. There are plenty of airlines who'd be more than happy to pay Skywest pilots as much or more than their current salaries. Again -- your demand for shares has quite literally no effect on the value of a pilot's hour of labour.
10-08-2017, 08:26 AM
#8719
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,517
Point being, just because you own shares doesn't mean you have any meaningful say in a company. If you sold they wouldn't even flinch. I more than likely have just as much Skywest stock as you..
10-09-2017, 05:59 AM
#8720
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: systems analyst
Posts: 757
It's literally like watching a 12 year old kid play on the interwebs.
Realize that he is so childish, that the disparity between his perception and the reality of what he attempts to conveys is comical.
It's like the tabby looking in the mirror and seeing a lion when everyone one else just sees a spoiled, maybe 20 year old dip**** who thinks he's awesome.....I mean a tabby.
Realize that he is so childish, that the disparity between his perception and the reality of what he attempts to conveys is comical.
It's like the tabby looking in the mirror and seeing a lion when everyone one else just sees a spoiled, maybe 20 year old dip**** who thinks he's awesome.....I mean a tabby.
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