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Historical credit alone makes up the difference.
Notice how no union carriers have that garbage?
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I didn't mean to imply it was a miracle cure. There will be problems either way.
If it went to a vote, I wouldn't be shocked if we went union.
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I don't get why this is an issue? The company wants us to achieve a higher block (they get paid by the hour too), so I try to accommodate them. I don't get paid until the door is shut, so there's plenty of time to do most of my job after that. Not trying to rip anybody off, that's just the way the accounting is set up.
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So when you get awarded 88 hours, really you were awarded 92 hours (at any other airline), and now you have to play catch up.
You get delayed, which is extremely common, and now you play catch up all day making only credit, and further diminishing historical credit, which had nothing to do with anything you did but you lose out on it.
How do you not see this as an issue?
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You get delayed, which is extremely common, and now you play catch up all day making only credit, and further diminishing historical credit, which had nothing to do with anything you did but you lose out on it.
How do you not see this as an issue?
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So when you get awarded 88 hours, really you were awarded 92 hours (at any other airline), and now you have to play catch up.
You get delayed, which is extremely common, and now you play catch up all day making only credit, and further diminishing historical credit, which had nothing to do with anything you did but you lose out on it.
How do you not see this as an issue?
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You get delayed, which is extremely common, and now you play catch up all day making only credit, and further diminishing historical credit, which had nothing to do with anything you did but you lose out on it.
How do you not see this as an issue?
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Completely agree. You have to have realistic expectations.
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So when you get awarded 88 hours, really you were awarded 92 hours (at any other airline), and now you have to play catch up.
You get delayed, which is extremely common, and now you play catch up all day making only credit, and further diminishing historical credit, which had nothing to do with anything you did but you lose out on it.
How do you not see this as an issue?
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You get delayed, which is extremely common, and now you play catch up all day making only credit, and further diminishing historical credit, which had nothing to do with anything you did but you lose out on it.
How do you not see this as an issue?
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Sounds like somebody needs cheese to go with their whine.
Like airplanes, sims are very expensive to own/lease, so the company needs to get max utilization out of them.
Airline crews frequently end their day after midnight and start at 0400 or even worse if time zones are in play.
Don't see how anyone is entitled to pick his own sim hours. I could see if he found someone willing to trade, but whining and hoping to get somebody forced to swap your sim slot sounds like buddy-screwing to me.
Like airplanes, sims are very expensive to own/lease, so the company needs to get max utilization out of them.
Airline crews frequently end their day after midnight and start at 0400 or even worse if time zones are in play.
Don't see how anyone is entitled to pick his own sim hours. I could see if he found someone willing to trade, but whining and hoping to get somebody forced to swap your sim slot sounds like buddy-screwing to me.
Newsflash: alpa can't really do much in regional-land because any significant success will make you more expensive than your bottom-feeding competitors...and then "your" flying will go elsewhere.
Flight instructors have more leverage than regional pilots, because they can vote with their feet.
The only way to win is to get out (or get really lucky and a catch good wave such that you retire before your regional reaches the end of it's natural life cycle).
You have to decide for yourself whether the benefits they do offer are worth 2%. But they'll happily take your money either way.
Flight instructors have more leverage than regional pilots, because they can vote with their feet.
The only way to win is to get out (or get really lucky and a catch good wave such that you retire before your regional reaches the end of it's natural life cycle).
You have to decide for yourself whether the benefits they do offer are worth 2%. But they'll happily take your money either way.
Anyway, it's not 2%, never was. It's now 1.85% and it's tax deductible. So your effective dues rate can be as low as around 1.25%. I see it as insurance premium, just like health insurance.
I don't get why this is an issue? The company wants us to achieve a higher block (they get paid by the hour too), so I try to accommodate them. I don't get paid until the door is shut, so there's plenty of time to do most of my job after that. Not trying to rip anybody off, that's just the way the accounting is set up.
Those of us who have worked at union regionals and subsequently come to SKW know better.
Union regionals violate the contract all the time, and the "law" never gets involved. You are generally NOT allowed to refuse an assignment in violation of the contract, but you can grieve it after the fact. The grievance process will take many months and if you win you'll typically get one hour of pay as penalty to the company.
So naturally the company doesn't care one whit if they have to pay you an hour next April if that's the cost of forcing you to cover flying today.
Union regionals violate the contract all the time, and the "law" never gets involved. You are generally NOT allowed to refuse an assignment in violation of the contract, but you can grieve it after the fact. The grievance process will take many months and if you win you'll typically get one hour of pay as penalty to the company.
So naturally the company doesn't care one whit if they have to pay you an hour next April if that's the cost of forcing you to cover flying today.
That's what I meant. All the other union drives that resulted in ALPA being voted in after Skywest voted down 10 years ago, has been hands off at first until there is a strong organic push for it. I wasn't referring to any non-boots on the ground organizing effort (consulting, advise, etc).
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It's a logical fallacy to say "ABC Regional, and XYZ Regional are both ****ty, and they both have unions, therefore they must be ****ty because of the union"
Do people really think SkyWest management will somehow "turn" on the pilots, and change the way they operate their business model just because the pilots unionize?
It's a ridiculous notion to presume that SkyWest will turn into Mesa or Pinnacle just because of a union. Give our management a little more credit than that. They aren't that stupid or petty. However this seems to be the prevailing wisdom of the hardened anti-union crowd around here.
You can have your cake (union), and eat it too (good management). It does however take smart, capable, and rational people on both sides to make the relationship work.
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