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Old 09-07-2017, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackwing
Seems like everything we get, XJT gets first.
Like base closures, eternal reserve, 9 year upgrades, and an ever shrinking fleet?
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
We didn't vote in a loss of pay....??? And your PPS bonus will be larger next week also...

Big pair raise.. no, stability i.e. Growth, yes...
Our pay raise didn't even match inflation. My spending power will still decrease next year when compared to this year. That is asinine.
Accepting a contract that leaves money on the table is concessionary. That's exactly what we did.
Some people complain that you don't want to pay ALPA a cut of your pay?
Newsflash- you've already given away a cut of your paycheck when you voted yes to that contract, but instead of going to ALPA for benefits from them, it's paying for airplanes for the company.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
Newsflash- you've already given away a cut of your paycheck when you voted yes to that contract, but instead of going to ALPA for benefits from them, it's paying for airplanes for the company.
Newsflash: alpa can't really do much in regional-land because any significant success will make you more expensive than your bottom-feeding competitors...and then "your" flying will go elsewhere.

Flight instructors have more leverage than regional pilots, because they can vote with their feet.

The only way to win is to get out (or get really lucky and a catch good wave such that you retire before your regional reaches the end of it's natural life cycle).

You have to decide for yourself whether the benefits they do offer are worth 2%. But they'll happily take your money either way.

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Old 09-07-2017, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
Our pay raise didn't even match inflation. My spending power will still decrease next year when compared to this year. That is asinine.
Accepting a contract that leaves money on the table is concessionary. That's exactly what we did.
Some people complain that you don't want to pay ALPA a cut of your pay?
Newsflash- you've already given away a cut of your paycheck when you voted yes to that contract, but instead of going to ALPA for benefits from them, it's paying for airplanes for the company.
What regionals (ALPA) have got over inflation wages?? Lets see....... keep thinking..... hmmmmm... ????
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
What regionals (ALPA) have got over inflation wages?? Lets see....... keep thinking..... hmmmmm... ????
Republic.

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Old 09-07-2017, 06:31 AM
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And that brought them to industry average. Years and year of below, then a big raise doesn't constitute getting a every year inflation raise...
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:33 AM
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Average? Go look. They destroy our ppm in every sense of the word.

We get MDG. You drop a turn? Lose MDG. They still keep it.

We get TONS of lco crap in ot. They do not go to work for less than mdg. Open time is MDG*1.5 as it should be.

Their payrates are also way higher.

Everything about their contract is way more "industry leading" than anything Russ wants to shove down our throats.

Go read and learn, what we have is a joke


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Old 09-07-2017, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
Average? Go look. They destroy our ppm in every sense of the word.

We get MDG. You drop a turn? Lose MDG. They still keep it.

We get TONS of lco crap in ot. They do not go to work for less than mdg. Open time is MDG*1.5 as it should be.

Their payrates are also way higher.

Everything about their contract is way more "industry leading" than anything Russ wants to shove down our throats.

Go read and learn, what we have is a joke


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Pay rates are way higher?
I checked Republic, air Wisconsin and an AA WO and didn't find that.
So how about you point us in the right direction.

You want to get paid for dropping a turn? Who gets that?!
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
Average? Go look. They destroy our ppm in every sense of the word.

We get MDG. You drop a turn? Lose MDG. They still keep it.

We get TONS of lco crap in ot. They do not go to work for less than mdg. Open time is MDG*1.5 as it should be.

Their payrates are also way higher.

Everything about their contract is way more "industry leading" than anything Russ wants to shove down our throats.

Go read and learn, what we have is a joke


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I could care less what the company does with OT. That's THEIR flying, not mine. I don't feel entitled to the right to pick up OT every month at a premium. Now if they can't cover it and REALLY need my help on a day off it's going to cost them for sure$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Now QOL on the other hand...it might be worth a union right now to try and get some QOL rules locked in. That was why I voted yes in 2006...didn't think we needed it, but wanted to lock in the QOL we had at the time, just in case. Guess I was right about that one.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:56 AM
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You're not getting it. It's not about ot

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