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Old 08-16-2017, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
That seems like a ridiculously low amount of hours/days of vacation to me. I must be missing something.
Probably not. I understand we have about the lowest accrual rate in the industry.

I'll get about 80 hours a year to use. I can use it at a rate of 2.5 up to 4.0? hours per day. We get it as a pre assignment for PBS. I always select 2.5 hours per day so a week would take 17.5 hours. Now with PBS it's possible to get a couple more unpaid days off on either side or work the days right next to the vacation.. With 17+ years I get around 4 weeks off a year theoretically. The problem with using 2.5 is that PBS is still going to build you a 85-90 hour line. It'll force more flying onto your schedule to make up the difference.
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Old 08-16-2017, 01:50 PM
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Probably not. I understand we have about the lowest accrual rate in the industry.

I'll get about 80 hours a year to use. I can use it at a rate of 2.5 up to 4.0? hours per day. We get it as a pre assignment for PBS. I always select 2.5 hours per day so a week would take 17.5 hours. Now with PBS it's possible to get a couple more unpaid days off on either side or work the days right next to the vacation.. With 17+ years I get around 4 weeks off a year theoretically. The problem with using 2.5 is that PBS is still going to build you a 85-90 hour line. It'll force more flying onto your schedule to make up the difference.
The other issue is to actually hold vacation slots. They are pretty much 100% taken on the CA side.... So even if you accrue more, there may be little use for it if you have little seniority.
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Old 08-16-2017, 01:56 PM
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The other issue is to actually hold vacation slots. They are pretty much 100% taken on the CA side.... So even if you accrue more, there may be little use for it if you have little seniority.
Yep. Unless you want the first week off in December.

And they reduce the number of slots in summer when everyone wants it off.
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Old 08-16-2017, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by N1234
The other issue is to actually hold vacation slots. They are pretty much 100% taken on the CA side.... So even if you accrue more, there may be little use for it if you have little seniority.

Don't they actually have enough slots throughout the year to cover the amount accrued? I assume that means you roll ever your accrued time? Do people use vacation time as a lump sum retirement/resignation payout?
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Old 08-16-2017, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
Don't they actually have enough slots throughout the year to cover the amount accrued? I assume that means you roll ever your accrued time? Do people use vacation time as a lump sum retirement/resignation payout?
There are not sufficient slots to cover accrual.

People generally get paid out when they quit.
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Old 08-16-2017, 03:01 PM
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For reference, in a base of 41 pilots, there are 2 pilots awarded vacation per week......

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As you know. I seem to be very "pro company". But I completely agree with the Vacation issues here. There are a few tricks to work around it. Butwe need this improved for sure as soon as we can.. i have made some suggestions on the sapa GMT link..
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The thing is there's no requirements to even have x amount of weeks per number of pilots. So let's take ord for example. Base almost doubled in the last 12 months. Did vacation slots double? NOOOOOPE

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And these are hard problems to solve ....

Unfortunately, SAPA took the easy way out.
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
As you know. I seem to be very "pro company". But I completely agree with the Vacation issues here. There are a few tricks to work around it. Butwe need this improved for sure as soon as we can.. i have made some suggestions on the sapa GMT link..

It's too bad you aren't starting a negotiating round to use as an opportunity to improve these vacation issues (and other issues)...oh wait. Well maybe you will have the opportunity in a couple of years when your agreement comes due...oh wait, nevermind.
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