Skywest v2.0
08-12-2017, 09:16 AM
#7961
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: RJ Captain
Posts: 1,181
Here is the cold hard truth for anyone thinking of coming here:
You will sit reserve, you won't break guarantee due to the company bending the rules to make sure of it!
When your busy busting your butt to make sure you get an time departure you get NO bonus (sorry have to be 2 years).
You will get "delayed" into your days off with nothing more than oh well it's your trip so you have to do it, and you get nothing!!!!
Your "vacation" will be canceled due to company needs if somehow your awarded vacation.
The ONLY days off you can guarantee are your sick days, and even those are being questioned now.
Do yourselves a favor and go somewhere that has real work rules instead of "that's the way we've always done it" and that actually pays what a pilot should be worth instead of padding managements bonuses!
You will sit reserve, you won't break guarantee due to the company bending the rules to make sure of it!
When your busy busting your butt to make sure you get an time departure you get NO bonus (sorry have to be 2 years).
You will get "delayed" into your days off with nothing more than oh well it's your trip so you have to do it, and you get nothing!!!!
Your "vacation" will be canceled due to company needs if somehow your awarded vacation.
The ONLY days off you can guarantee are your sick days, and even those are being questioned now.
Do yourselves a favor and go somewhere that has real work rules instead of "that's the way we've always done it" and that actually pays what a pilot should be worth instead of padding managements bonuses!
I'm guessing you haven't been here long enough for the PPS yet.
08-12-2017, 09:47 AM
#7962
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,044
Awfully whiny one here...
If you choose equipment/base where you're going to sit reserve, plan on not breaking guarantee.
It's one year for operational bonus. PPS you should get as soon as you complete a full six-month eligibility period (ie Jan-Jun or Jul-Oct).
If it's a legal duty period, no extra pay. But if you time out and get a hotel, then you get at least 4:12 for the next day.
They haven't cancelled vacations as long as I've been here (10+ years). If you don't have enough vacation/user credit (due to sick calls or other time off) they will reduce awarded vacations to match the credit you have available.
Golden days? If you're super junior, you're not going to get your pick of days off, schedule, vacation, etc. Nature of the industry.
Hate to tell you, but SKW is about as good as gets in the regional world...many of us have tried other regionals first 
Don't like SKW? Better bust your hump to qualify for a major airline asap, or find a new career. I might suggest a new career...major airline recruiters are VERY good at sniffing out negative attitudes like yours. Not saying SKW is all unicorns and rainbows but the attitude WILL torpedo your future plans. Just saw it happen to an old buddy this month. It's really hard to be all negative about your job and life in general, and then fake it at an interview.
Don't like SKW? Better bust your hump to qualify for a major airline asap, or find a new career. I might suggest a new career...major airline recruiters are VERY good at sniffing out negative attitudes like yours. Not saying SKW is all unicorns and rainbows but the attitude WILL torpedo your future plans. Just saw it happen to an old buddy this month. It's really hard to be all negative about your job and life in general, and then fake it at an interview.
08-12-2017, 09:55 AM
#7963
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,044
Us as pilots have NEVER had more control than we do right now, and people like you saying this place is ok is not a good thing! Your content with your measly pay check, I get it...
However some of us want more for busting our butts! Instead all I see is managements salary increasing millions at a time and our weekly "stay competitive" email. Management has this pilot group bent over so far it's not even funny! Don't think so? Look at Skywest managements pay the last 5 years, it's public record. We've been had boys!!!!!!
However some of us want more for busting our butts! Instead all I see is managements salary increasing millions at a time and our weekly "stay competitive" email. Management has this pilot group bent over so far it's not even funny! Don't think so? Look at Skywest managements pay the last 5 years, it's public record. We've been had boys!!!!!!
Don't like it? Get a major airline job or a new career.
I sure hope you didn't come to SKW thinking you were going to stay and have legacy airline QOL and compensation???
08-12-2017, 01:31 PM
#7964
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,283
It's a regional. If regionals start having actual leverage they will cease to exist...that's the whole point. Regionals are not airlines, they subcontractors.
Don't like it? Get a major airline job or a new career.
I sure hope you didn't come to SKW thinking you were going to stay and have legacy airline QOL and compensation???
Don't like it? Get a major airline job or a new career.
I sure hope you didn't come to SKW thinking you were going to stay and have legacy airline QOL and compensation???
08-12-2017, 09:38 PM
#7965
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 846
Us pilots have never had more control than we do right now? Really? Sure, that mindset worked out real well for this TA didn't it? We had so much "control" that we ended up with nothing substantial. Come on, man, open your eyes! This is a regional. Subcontracted flying. The "partners" and their unions call the shots and we get what they don't take first. How the hell do you think this company is going to survive if they just gave us all huge raises, 401K increases, the moon, the stars, etc? Let's say they gave us all big raises, then Delta or United pulled alot of their flying back or possibly didn't rtenew contracts a few years from now? We would end up in the same sinking boat as our poor brothers at XJT. You may think you're working yourself to death and deserve bonuses everytime you pushback on time, but if OO caved in to that, we'd all be out of work in three years or less.
Just what is it you think you deserve while working here? When all the whiners keep whining, all we hear is "This place sucks. We deserve more. Other places are better.....yackity, yack, yack", but no one gives realistic ideas on how to improve this awful, rough life at Skywest that apparently isn't bad enough to walk away from.
Just what is it you think you deserve while working here? When all the whiners keep whining, all we hear is "This place sucks. We deserve more. Other places are better.....yackity, yack, yack", but no one gives realistic ideas on how to improve this awful, rough life at Skywest that apparently isn't bad enough to walk away from.
Xjt is in the place it's in, in part because of Skywest pilots. You guys work for the most successful, most profitable regional airline ever in the entire world! Yet, you can't find yourselves to use the leverage of the best pilot environment since Orville and Wilbur. And on top of that, you guys shot your wad on a measly pay raise that locks you in for five years while simultaneously giving away leverage by letting management raise FO pay without having to come back and negotiate. It sounds like there is at least one Skywest pilot that is frustrated over that and I don't blame him. Your pay rates are just multipliers to your work rules. Right now you guys are one of the most productive pilot groups and that equates to your work rules being a low multiplier of your pay rates. You can do a lot better for yourselves but that requires using your leverage effectively.
08-13-2017, 12:06 AM
#7966
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 443
Xjt is in the place it's in, in part because of Skywest pilots. You guys work for the most successful, most profitable regional airline ever in the entire world! Yet, you can't find yourselves to use the leverage of the best pilot environment since Orville and Wilbur. And on top of that, you guys shot your wad on a measly pay raise that locks you in for five years while simultaneously giving away leverage by letting management raise FO pay without having to come back and negotiate. It sounds like there is at least one Skywest pilot that is frustrated over that and I don't blame him. Your pay rates are just multipliers to your work rules. Right now you guys are one of the most productive pilot groups and that equates to your work rules being a low multiplier of your pay rates. You can do a lot better for yourselves but that requires using your leverage effectively.
I am not happy about the pay package. I am not happy about what is happening at xjt.
I fully understand Skywest as a group passed this pay package but I have no interest in it no matter what they claim for the future.
08-13-2017, 12:58 AM
#7967
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 936
There are a lot more than one pilot irritated about the recent negotiations. Count me as one of them.
I am not happy about the pay package. I am not happy about what is happening at xjt.
I fully understand Skywest as a group passed this pay package but I have no interest in it no matter what they claim for the future.
I am not happy about the pay package. I am not happy about what is happening at xjt.
I fully understand Skywest as a group passed this pay package but I have no interest in it no matter what they claim for the future.
+1
I consider it an opportunity squandered
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08-13-2017, 06:24 AM
#7969
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,044
God No. I'm a realist.
People who aren't happy with the regional lot should spend their time and energy on getting out, not peeing into the wind. Doesn't matter if it's SAPA or ALPA either, anyone who's been around a while will recall that the biggest ALPA success stories in regional-land were COMAIR and XJT.
Now with that said, if you don't have a college degree, being an RJ CA is not a bad gig compared to other options, just not as good of a gig as most majors (unions generally work fairly well at majors).
People who aren't happy with the regional lot should spend their time and energy on getting out, not peeing into the wind. Doesn't matter if it's SAPA or ALPA either, anyone who's been around a while will recall that the biggest ALPA success stories in regional-land were COMAIR and XJT.
Now with that said, if you don't have a college degree, being an RJ CA is not a bad gig compared to other options, just not as good of a gig as most majors (unions generally work fairly well at majors).
08-13-2017, 06:27 AM
#7970
Ich bin Pilot von Beruf
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: CRJ Kapitän
Posts: 615
I'm the same as you guys.... This recent pay debacle and the negative circumstances affecting XJT has increased my awareness about the nature of SkyWest, Inc. and the regional industry as a whole. I'll be leaving for sure, upgrade or not. After two years of service here, I've had enough. Two more years aren't worth it. Spring 2018 is my planned date of exit. If I weren't involved with other projects, I would make it happen sooner.
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