Skywest v2.0
05-22-2017, 05:49 PM
#7401
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Downward Dog
Posts: 1,875
I'm a new hire FO, just out of IOE and starting my reserve. I can speak for guys from my class because I just had this conversation with a bunch of them. They want to fly, they don't care where its out of and what airplane it is, but they want to fly and build hours. If things grind to a halt and we are stuck at the bottom of a pile sitting reserve forever I know plenty of guys that are going to split. There are bonuses everywhere. Horizon knocked on my door the other day with a fruit basket and bottle of wine. I know they were probably just trying to get into my pants, but at least they are willing to pay attention to me. If being stuck at the bottom of a pile not flying AND making minimum wage is the way it is around here, I'll take my type rating and split thank you. There is plenty of airlines out there that will love me for me! Sure I've put on a few pounds lately but still.....
You haven't actually made it to your first day of sitting reserve to even be in an eligible position to be called and you are complaining about not getting called?
Pilots.
This is actually pretty awesome if that's true.
Curious though how long is the training foot print these days, when roughly did your indoc start?
05-22-2017, 05:52 PM
#7402
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 166
Wait.
You haven't actually made it to your first day of sitting reserve to even be in an eligible position to be called and you are complaining about not getting called?
Pilots.
This is actually pretty awesome if that's true.
Curious though how long is the training foot print these days, when roughly did your indoc start?
You haven't actually made it to your first day of sitting reserve to even be in an eligible position to be called and you are complaining about not getting called?
Pilots.
This is actually pretty awesome if that's true.
Curious though how long is the training foot print these days, when roughly did your indoc start?
05-22-2017, 06:27 PM
#7403
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Position: 737 First Officer
Posts: 71
My personal situation is different, I have all my hours from the military and am just getting current and proficient in a 121 environment and was hoping to spend some time doing it out Seattle for a few years in a nice airplane. SkyWest works for me personally.
However, my point was to express the general feeling of many of the new hires I know. They are all starting to get a sense that things are not moving like the recruiters/interviewers said they would. Its not entitlement, simply recognition that opportunities elsewhere exist and their priority is to fly and build hours, next priority is pay. If OO isn't doing either why would they stay? Their career effectively grinds to a halt and they remain broke in the mean time. Some of these dudes are so poor I had to buy them their six pack on Friday nights in ground school. Add on top of that the debt from their aviation degrees etc. If SkyWest is really just stockpiling pilots just to sit them, thats not right, at least not without being up front about it, and people should leave. I am sure that if the recruiters had told them they were stockpiling pilots they would have looked elsewhere. Like somewhere where they were short pilots and were going to fly. Was it unreasonable to assume that SkyWests aggressive hiring meant that they actually needed them to be pilots?
And its not about "doing your research". Their is so much info out their it is impossible to know whats correct. Add on top of that regional recruiters/interviewers are apparently something akin to a used car salesmen. Its very confusing for someone new that is trying to get it all sorted and just make the decision that is right for them. In my interview I was told they "needed" ERJ pilots. I figured that meant thats where the flying was at. As of now it appears that is definitely not the case. But I guess time will tell.
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fly the CRJ. Things a pile.
But my point still stands, if guys sit for too long, they are going to start taking the cash bonuses elsewhere at airlines that fly them just to survive and keep their career moving forward.
lighten up.
However, my point was to express the general feeling of many of the new hires I know. They are all starting to get a sense that things are not moving like the recruiters/interviewers said they would. Its not entitlement, simply recognition that opportunities elsewhere exist and their priority is to fly and build hours, next priority is pay. If OO isn't doing either why would they stay? Their career effectively grinds to a halt and they remain broke in the mean time. Some of these dudes are so poor I had to buy them their six pack on Friday nights in ground school. Add on top of that the debt from their aviation degrees etc. If SkyWest is really just stockpiling pilots just to sit them, thats not right, at least not without being up front about it, and people should leave. I am sure that if the recruiters had told them they were stockpiling pilots they would have looked elsewhere. Like somewhere where they were short pilots and were going to fly. Was it unreasonable to assume that SkyWests aggressive hiring meant that they actually needed them to be pilots?
And its not about "doing your research". Their is so much info out their it is impossible to know whats correct. Add on top of that regional recruiters/interviewers are apparently something akin to a used car salesmen. Its very confusing for someone new that is trying to get it all sorted and just make the decision that is right for them. In my interview I was told they "needed" ERJ pilots. I figured that meant thats where the flying was at. As of now it appears that is definitely not the case. But I guess time will tell.
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fly the CRJ. Things a pile.
But my point still stands, if guys sit for too long, they are going to start taking the cash bonuses elsewhere at airlines that fly them just to survive and keep their career moving forward.
lighten up.
Lolololol go to Horizon and tell us how you like the turboprop and years to upgrade. Seriously have you even spent a day in your domicile off IOE and you're already complaining? The CRJ has some of the fastest movement in the industry and guys are threatening to leave after IOE?
UFB!
*Edit: you picked the ERJ and now you're complaining you want to get in and fly a line immediately? Shouldn't have picked the ERJ if that was the plan and your classmates should know that too. It's been no secret the reserve times were long and the CRJ was the place to go to grind for hours as fast as possible. Should have done your research. Bid CRJ when your seat lock is up and go to DTW....but let me guess the "guys who want to grind" don't want DTW do they? This entitlement is so old, ruining the image for all new hires in the industry. A captain here will go off on you if you told him that.
UFB!
*Edit: you picked the ERJ and now you're complaining you want to get in and fly a line immediately? Shouldn't have picked the ERJ if that was the plan and your classmates should know that too. It's been no secret the reserve times were long and the CRJ was the place to go to grind for hours as fast as possible. Should have done your research. Bid CRJ when your seat lock is up and go to DTW....but let me guess the "guys who want to grind" don't want DTW do they? This entitlement is so old, ruining the image for all new hires in the industry. A captain here will go off on you if you told him that.
05-22-2017, 06:29 PM
#7404
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,464
Poor? At 36.50 an hour.
They know what they signed up for. 4 years ago 22 an hour was industry standard. The entitlement generation is here.
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They know what they signed up for. 4 years ago 22 an hour was industry standard. The entitlement generation is here.
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05-22-2017, 06:34 PM
#7405
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 94
I'm a new hire FO, just out of IOE and starting my reserve. I can speak for guys from my class because I just had this conversation with a bunch of them. They want to fly, they don't care where its out of and what airplane it is, but they want to fly and build hours. If things grind to a halt and we are stuck at the bottom of a pile sitting reserve forever I know plenty of guys that are going to split. There are bonuses everywhere. Horizon knocked on my door the other day with a fruit basket and bottle of wine. I know they were probably just trying to get into my pants, but at least they are willing to pay attention to me. If being stuck at the bottom of a pile not flying AND making minimum wage is the way it is around here, I'll take my type rating and split thank you. There is plenty of airlines out there that will love me for me! Sure I've put on a few pounds lately but still.....
I don't understand the attitude of these new hires. Do these young guys and gals have no lives (spouse, girl/boyfriend, kids, etc.)? Someone needs to show them some perspective. Life isn't all about flying. This is a job and if all you do is this, you'll look back later in life and see you never truly lived.
I was a young buck once wanting to build time fast, but I realized spending time with family and friends is what values my time, not spending time in a plane all day talking about contracts. This was all during a time when pay was low and pilots were in surplus. Now these guys have an insane amount of opportunities at hand AND better pay, and they're complaining about it. What's the fricking rush? Enjoy the now.
05-22-2017, 06:36 PM
#7407
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Downward Dog
Posts: 1,875
I just finished CA transition, it must be someone hired in Feb, Jan if they needed an ATP. Likely a bunch of time off for the IOE wait and a few extra trips to top it off........ I've ran into half the newhires in my class and they all echo the same attitude as the guy above.
05-22-2017, 06:43 PM
#7408
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 166
That pile will make 10x the pilot out of these 1,000 hour champions. You should see the lack of energy management and decent planning demonstrated by many of the Cessna to 175 crew. Not to mention shut off the AT and enjoy the show.......
05-22-2017, 06:49 PM
#7409
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: LAX ER
Posts: 1,606
My personal situation is different, I have all my hours from the military and am just getting current and proficient in a 121 environment and was hoping to spend some time doing it out Seattle for a few years in a nice airplane. SkyWest works for me personally.
However, my point was to express the general feeling of many of the new hires I know. They are all starting to get a sense that things are not moving like the recruiters/interviewers said they would. Its not entitlement, simply recognition that opportunities elsewhere exist and their priority is to fly and build hours, next priority is pay. If OO isn't doing either why would they stay? Their career effectively grinds to a halt and they remain broke in the mean time. Some of these dudes are so poor I had to buy them their six pack on Friday nights in ground school. Add on top of that the debt from their aviation degrees etc. If SkyWest is really just stockpiling pilots just to sit them, thats not right, at least not without being up front about it, and people should leave. I am sure that if the recruiters had told them they were stockpiling pilots they would have looked elsewhere. Like somewhere where they were short pilots and were going to fly. Was it unreasonable to assume that SkyWests aggressive hiring meant that they actually needed them to be pilots?
And its not about "doing your research". Their is so much info out their it is impossible to know whats correct. Add on top of that regional recruiters/interviewers are apparently something akin to a used car salesmen. Its very confusing for someone new that is trying to get it all sorted and just make the decision that is right for them. In my interview I was told they "needed" ERJ pilots. I figured that meant thats where the flying was at. As of now it appears that is definitely not the case. But I guess time will tell.
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fly the CRJ. Things a pile.
But my point still stands, if guys sit for too long, they are going to start taking the cash bonuses elsewhere at airlines that fly them just to survive and keep their career moving forward.
lighten up.
However, my point was to express the general feeling of many of the new hires I know. They are all starting to get a sense that things are not moving like the recruiters/interviewers said they would. Its not entitlement, simply recognition that opportunities elsewhere exist and their priority is to fly and build hours, next priority is pay. If OO isn't doing either why would they stay? Their career effectively grinds to a halt and they remain broke in the mean time. Some of these dudes are so poor I had to buy them their six pack on Friday nights in ground school. Add on top of that the debt from their aviation degrees etc. If SkyWest is really just stockpiling pilots just to sit them, thats not right, at least not without being up front about it, and people should leave. I am sure that if the recruiters had told them they were stockpiling pilots they would have looked elsewhere. Like somewhere where they were short pilots and were going to fly. Was it unreasonable to assume that SkyWests aggressive hiring meant that they actually needed them to be pilots?
And its not about "doing your research". Their is so much info out their it is impossible to know whats correct. Add on top of that regional recruiters/interviewers are apparently something akin to a used car salesmen. Its very confusing for someone new that is trying to get it all sorted and just make the decision that is right for them. In my interview I was told they "needed" ERJ pilots. I figured that meant thats where the flying was at. As of now it appears that is definitely not the case. But I guess time will tell.
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fly the CRJ. Things a pile.
But my point still stands, if guys sit for too long, they are going to start taking the cash bonuses elsewhere at airlines that fly them just to survive and keep their career moving forward.
lighten up.
Also, yes you can do your research. Plenty of pilots in this thread or on property will give you real information. Even I knew about reserve times on the ERJ being long and that was back when I interviewed in September.
The company is short on pilots in their eyes because they want more reserves. You sound like having people on reserve is a negative thing? It clearly didn't work for Republic and our company just a few years ago was extremely short on reserve. Anyone in management could have told you that they don't want to get that low again. You need reserves to run a efficient healthy airline.
I understand people coming on property and wanting hours as fast as they can...but seriously? You fall for the shiny jet syndrome, recruiter tips, and want a line in Seattle on your first week off IOE? And you're telling us you're threatening to quit over it? That sounds to me like some entitlement. Do your time. Even I'm new and I'd never have this attitude. I'm telling you some captains will rip this to shreads.
Your situation isn't "different" you just have the wrong mindset for the industry. I know with your military background you'll probably expect to be at a Legacy in 12 months and be up in flames if that doesn't happen either or if you have to sit reserve for YEARS out of base.
05-22-2017, 06:56 PM
#7410
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Downward Dog
Posts: 1,875
It simply is not a pile. It is a perfectly fine airplane to spend your work week in.
I cannot wait until you go Platinum for the first time!
There was a group of (assumed) new hires dwelling in the basement complaining how familiarity flights don't have JS priority over commuters.
"they need us more than we need them".
I cannot wait until you go Platinum for the first time!
There was a group of (assumed) new hires dwelling in the basement complaining how familiarity flights don't have JS priority over commuters.
"they need us more than we need them".
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