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#7241
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Flew on one of your E175s recently and was very impressed. Had a good chat up front with the crew. They seemed happy with the ERJ.
For those of you who fly it, what are your thoughts? Easy to fly? Any pros/cons? Also, is LAX a big E175 base?
For those of you who fly it, what are your thoughts? Easy to fly? Any pros/cons? Also, is LAX a big E175 base?
Last edited by David Puddy; 05-15-2017 at 07:21 AM.
#7242
How many days off does a 40/week laborer get? Lets say they work M-F every week, its roughly 8 days a month. Crew support is also being paid less than a first officer to deal with a job that nobody really wants. So even accruing user time faster does not mean they are getting more time away from work.
Since you said bottom line holders get 11 days off in DTW, compared to a M-F 40 hour laborer, they still get 36 more days off per year. Over a month more time away from work over the course of a year.
Plus pilots have the option to drop trips. Sometimes that isn't going to work out, but I am pretty sure crew support can't say, yeah I will just try dropping these days. And I am pretty sure that crew support does not get displaced for IOE.
I have bad news for you. Life ain't fair.
Since you said bottom line holders get 11 days off in DTW, compared to a M-F 40 hour laborer, they still get 36 more days off per year. Over a month more time away from work over the course of a year.
Plus pilots have the option to drop trips. Sometimes that isn't going to work out, but I am pretty sure crew support can't say, yeah I will just try dropping these days. And I am pretty sure that crew support does not get displaced for IOE.
I have bad news for you. Life ain't fair.
#7243
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Position: 737 First Officer
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Other than the pay, which is appalling given the level of responsibility 121 pilots have, I am very impressed with SkyWest and their operation of the 175. I felt that the training here was of good quality and challenging. But again, I'm new and I'm coming from the military world so I do not have a lot of pertinent experience to compare it to.
LAX is smaller than ORD, but roughly equivalent in size to SFO, and SEA. Larger than PDX and DEN. About 90 FO's. As of now, if attrition etc remains constant, everyone gets ORD first, and can hold their preferred west coast base approx 6 mos after their training start date.
#7244
This mindset is what keeps pay and QOL low for regional pilots. (Yes, it is still too low)
Internship? Give me a break. There are plenty of pilots at regionals with more hours, experience, and knowledge than some guys at the majors.
Regional and mainline pilots fly in and out of the same airports and do the same work.
Stop pretending that regional pilots should be worth any less, that's what management is paid for. We're all aviation professionals with the same responsibilities.
Internship? Give me a break. There are plenty of pilots at regionals with more hours, experience, and knowledge than some guys at the majors.
Regional and mainline pilots fly in and out of the same airports and do the same work.
Stop pretending that regional pilots should be worth any less, that's what management is paid for. We're all aviation professionals with the same responsibilities.
Being realistic and saying well AA, DL and UA won't pay a penny more to their regionals until they are all getting the similar pay means either it happens slowly as each regional negotiates for better pay, or until ALL regional pilots can say enough is enough. Unfortunately where Comair failed is that Delta had choices of other regionals. That is the problem you still face today, where all regionals do not act together. Lets say that Republic wanted to do something, well guess what it will only be a short effect and they will lose flying.
If AA, DL or UA only had 1 regional partner, they would have to give them what they wanted. The same would be true if all regional pilots would only work for certain conditions. It is not realistic to tell someone, don't go fly for a regional until they pay fair wages (otherwise none of you would be in the industry right now). So having one voice with all pilots members would effectively make it the same as AA, DL or UA having one partner.
Here is my projection, regionals are giving higher compensation as time goes on, and you are correct, RJ pilots do more hard work for less money. But as the bonuses and compensation approach entry level mainline pay, we will see lowball regionals fold. GLA sounds like it is actually on its last legs. They are doing pay deferral (not paying employees), and are behind on lease payments by $80,000. Next will be places like Mesa. Possibly we will see consolidation of airlines like TSA, GoJet, Compass. As this all happens companies will be able to afford the higher wages, but there will become a point where mainline management realizes that it is better to insource the flying. What will be left is the big 3, Alaska, LCCs and wholey owned regionals. SkyWest will probably still be around.
#7245
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
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You want to know what really keeps pay too low at the regionals, the mindset that we can't have one union between all of the regionals (I am not talking just everyone join ALPA, but rather a regionals only union), or the idea that having so many regionals is ok.
Being realistic and saying well AA, DL and UA won't pay a penny more to their regionals until they are all getting the similar pay means either it happens slowly as each regional negotiates for better pay, or until ALL regional pilots can say enough is enough. Unfortunately where Comair failed is that Delta had choices of other regionals. That is the problem you still face today, where all regionals do not act together. Lets say that Republic wanted to do something, well guess what it will only be a short effect and they will lose flying.
If AA, DL or UA only had 1 regional partner, they would have to give them what they wanted. The same would be true if all regional pilots would only work for certain conditions. It is not realistic to tell someone, don't go fly for a regional until they pay fair wages (otherwise none of you would be in the industry right now). So having one voice with all pilots members would effectively make it the same as AA, DL or UA having one partner.
Here is my projection, regionals are giving higher compensation as time goes on, and you are correct, RJ pilots do more hard work for less money. But as the bonuses and compensation approach entry level mainline pay, we will see lowball regionals fold. GLA sounds like it is actually on its last legs. They are doing pay deferral (not paying employees), and are behind on lease payments by $80,000. Next will be places like Mesa. Possibly we will see consolidation of airlines like TSA, GoJet, Compass. As this all happens companies will be able to afford the higher wages, but there will become a point where mainline management realizes that it is better to insource the flying. What will be left is the big 3, Alaska, LCCs and wholey owned regionals. SkyWest will probably still be around.
Being realistic and saying well AA, DL and UA won't pay a penny more to their regionals until they are all getting the similar pay means either it happens slowly as each regional negotiates for better pay, or until ALL regional pilots can say enough is enough. Unfortunately where Comair failed is that Delta had choices of other regionals. That is the problem you still face today, where all regionals do not act together. Lets say that Republic wanted to do something, well guess what it will only be a short effect and they will lose flying.
If AA, DL or UA only had 1 regional partner, they would have to give them what they wanted. The same would be true if all regional pilots would only work for certain conditions. It is not realistic to tell someone, don't go fly for a regional until they pay fair wages (otherwise none of you would be in the industry right now). So having one voice with all pilots members would effectively make it the same as AA, DL or UA having one partner.
Here is my projection, regionals are giving higher compensation as time goes on, and you are correct, RJ pilots do more hard work for less money. But as the bonuses and compensation approach entry level mainline pay, we will see lowball regionals fold. GLA sounds like it is actually on its last legs. They are doing pay deferral (not paying employees), and are behind on lease payments by $80,000. Next will be places like Mesa. Possibly we will see consolidation of airlines like TSA, GoJet, Compass. As this all happens companies will be able to afford the higher wages, but there will become a point where mainline management realizes that it is better to insource the flying. What will be left is the big 3, Alaska, LCCs and wholey owned regionals. SkyWest will probably still be around.
There are countless regional pilots who are not only more than qualified for a mainline job, but are also great people with exceptional personalities. For some though, they haven't moved on either for personal reasons, or their application hasn't been magically selected from the pile.
I apologize if that isn't what you were insinuating, possibly it was my misunderstanding.
#7246
This I agree with. Your last post saying working at a regional airline should be an internship was the part I had a problem with. It just sounded demeaning; like you were in agreement of the pay structure of short changing the lowly regional pilots because they aren't good enough.
There are countless regional pilots who are not only more than qualified for a mainline job, but are also great people with exceptional personalities. For some though, they haven't moved on either for personal reasons, or their application hasn't been magically selected from the pile.
I apologize if that isn't what you were insinuating, possibly it was my misunderstanding.
There are countless regional pilots who are not only more than qualified for a mainline job, but are also great people with exceptional personalities. For some though, they haven't moved on either for personal reasons, or their application hasn't been magically selected from the pile.
I apologize if that isn't what you were insinuating, possibly it was my misunderstanding.
If I were a mainline manager I would be concerned that one of the lower paying regionals with fast upgrades, who are now starting to scrape for pilots, will put someone in the left seat who should not be there. Unfortunately as we know, sometimes changes in aviation are written in blood. I hope it doesn't come to that, but it might be what gets jr mainline pilots into the left seat of RJs on mainline property.
#7247
You guys are not going to solve the regional system. It serves a purpose, and will exist until either the purpose is no longer served, or until desperate lowering of standards to put meat in seats results in a few more colgans.
Mesa is allowed to exist for one purpose only...as a stalking horse to apply competitive pressure to everybody else.
Mesa is allowed to exist for one purpose only...as a stalking horse to apply competitive pressure to everybody else.
#7248
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 162
Reserve times out West
Can someone please tell me what current reserve times in the 175 are in LAX, SFO, PDX, and SEA? Thanks
#7249
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
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With deliveries coming to an end I would say probably pretty lengthy. I know a guy in SFO that was a line holder after a month or two but I think those days are almost over.
#7250
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 122
For now those days are definitely over, but with the 100 new planes on rumor and San Diego base opening up...
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