amcnd

Also said 400 total aircraft by july..

rickair7777

Like most employers, in all industries, vacation(user) accrual increases with years of service.

First/second year pilots complaining that they don't get more than a couple weeks off per year sounds entitled...especially in the airlines.

If you want "normal" vacation, you can have it without disrupting the rest of your life.

If you want epic time off, you can have that too, but at a price. Let's say you saved up 50 hours of vacay + user...
Bid three weeks of vacation, crossing two months. Then bid 5-6 days off before the vacay in the first month and 5-6 days off after the vacay in the second month. You just got over a month off.

Try that in Corporate America after two years on the job....they'll have changed the locks by the time you get back.

amcnd

Also its yours to take with you when you leave.. (they cash you out)

elmetal

I'm not a first or second year employee. And this isn't corporate America. I'm comparing us to other airlines. Including but not limited to republic, xjt, PSA, pdt, etc.

And yeah. 12 days off of vacation and 4 sick days a year until year 5 is absolutely ridiculous.

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amcnd

Your math doesn't add up...??.. ive been there ( year 5 ) and had plenty of time off and plenty of sick call time..

elmetal

K. Look at the ppm and our accrual rates. I'm not making anything up. I love my job, but I'm not a koolaid drinker.

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WesternSkies

After working for a whole year you have a 3-day worth of sick time.
For 2 years of moving airplanes it is like that and that doesn't pass the smell test. The average American gets the cold twice a year.

From longevity pay year 3-6 it equates to a four day per year.

Starting at year six it gets better but nothing pads the user bank more than seniority and being able to post awesome trips when you get ill.

If you have seniority I can see how you might think things are fine. Most people I believe feel vacation and user time needs to be addressed.

Simpsons

After just over a year in ORD I just had a 10 day block off with I think 18 days off the entire month.

elmetal

How much vacation did you use Simpsons? That schedule is 27+ hour 4 days and 21+ hour 3 days. (Or some 8 hour locals in there)

Not that I doubt you, it used to be possible in Denver a few years ago, but there's just not that kind of good pairings in crj anymore. Few and far between

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Groundpointfife

You are comparing one aspect. When you make a comparison you have to do so holistically. What in their contracts' is better or worse than SkyWest PPM?

There is some stuff SkyWest pilots have that other regional pilots envy. Like min days off on reserve/line holder. Some airlines can build the schedules down to 11 days off per month. Even if every bid period resulted in 12 days off, that is still 12 more days throughout the year than someone at an airline with 11 days off per month. One of the places you made a comparison to has no minimum day pay on reserve and only for line holders with trips beginning and ending at certain times - this means their pilots may credit 1 hour on day one or the last day, and need more trips to hit guarantee...resulting in less days off

How many other regionals have Pilot Profit Sharing? How many get a quarterly bonus? I am not saying it is perfect, but there's good stuff, and some things that can be improved upon.

You are drinking the koolaid that Republic, PSA, Piedmont etc have life so much better than you do. You don't have to drink SkyWest koolaid, but sometimes the grass is not always greener on the other side.

The goal is to move on to a legacy, and I see your point of wanting to make things better for those behind you, but keep the big picture. You are going to talk to guys at other carriers and find out some of the goodies in their contracts, but they are not going to always tell you about some of the garbage in it.