Skywest v2.0
04-09-2017, 04:17 AM
#6791
Newbie
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 125
I didn't accuse Skywest pilots of anything ..I said Skywest Inc..management not you guys..I have always been very cordial to pilots over the years..be it in hotel vans or when you guys have come for the jumpseat..it was not an attack on you..it was simply just to vent my displeasure at managements decision to slam the door on a great group of guys that have been doing this for a very long time. We got stranded at the regional level because of 9/11..the 08 meltdown and the age 65 thing. After all those years we became senior guys at a decent company. We make fair money, weekends off, holidays off, and decent vacation time. Thats where the apprehension to move on stems from. Again, it wasn't meant as an attack towards your pilot group.
I truly appreciate your dilemma. I think Inc. is simply trying to figure out how to make ASA/Xjet work. From someone who recently joined the industry, when I was looking at regionals, there was nothing about ASA/Xjet that would appeal to a new pilot: The fleet is shrinking. Upgrades take forever. In the annual report, the bean counters show a loss.
It is obvious to those on the inside and the outside (with their eyes open) that things are not well at ASA/Xjet.
Given the history of SKW, I don't think Inc. will just shut the doors on ASA/Xjet until contracts can't be obtained. Inc. will continue to look for a formula that works for ASA/Xjet given its realities, including what the bean counters say and it's inability to recruit FO's. There is no reason to operate a subsidiary in the same way that shows a loss.
My recommendation for ASA/Xjet pilots is simple, and in this order: 1) jump to the majors 2) move to SKW and be at the bottom (rumors a CA based in DTW did that for QOL and made CA here within a year) 3) leave to another regional if you can't stomach SKW 4) wait and just continue to be unhappy.
04-09-2017, 06:53 AM
#6792
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,238
The reason for the pushback is that SKW pilots don't normally complain about Inc. here. And, the complaints here are trivial compared to what you are encountering.
I truly appreciate your dilemma. I think Inc. is simply trying to figure out how to make ASA/Xjet work. From someone who recently joined the industry, when I was looking at regionals, there was nothing about ASA/Xjet that would appeal to a new pilot: The fleet is shrinking. Upgrades take forever. In the annual report, the bean counters show a loss.
It is obvious to those on the inside and the outside (with their eyes open) that things are not well at ASA/Xjet.
Given the history of SKW, I don't think Inc. will just shut the doors on ASA/Xjet until contracts can't be obtained. Inc. will continue to look for a formula that works for ASA/Xjet given its realities, including what the bean counters say and it's inability to recruit FO's. There is no reason to operate a subsidiary in the same way that shows a loss.
My recommendation for ASA/Xjet pilots is simple, and in this order: 1) jump to the majors 2) move to SKW and be at the bottom (rumors a CA based in DTW did that for QOL and made CA here within a year) 3) leave to another regional if you can't stomach SKW 4) wait and just continue to be unhappy.
I truly appreciate your dilemma. I think Inc. is simply trying to figure out how to make ASA/Xjet work. From someone who recently joined the industry, when I was looking at regionals, there was nothing about ASA/Xjet that would appeal to a new pilot: The fleet is shrinking. Upgrades take forever. In the annual report, the bean counters show a loss.
It is obvious to those on the inside and the outside (with their eyes open) that things are not well at ASA/Xjet.
Given the history of SKW, I don't think Inc. will just shut the doors on ASA/Xjet until contracts can't be obtained. Inc. will continue to look for a formula that works for ASA/Xjet given its realities, including what the bean counters say and it's inability to recruit FO's. There is no reason to operate a subsidiary in the same way that shows a loss.
My recommendation for ASA/Xjet pilots is simple, and in this order: 1) jump to the majors 2) move to SKW and be at the bottom (rumors a CA based in DTW did that for QOL and made CA here within a year) 3) leave to another regional if you can't stomach SKW 4) wait and just continue to be unhappy.
They tried every formula. Its all baking soda and vinegar....
04-09-2017, 07:08 AM
#6793
Newbie
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 125
It appears to me that Inc. has tried a lot to make it work. I know the ASA/Xjet pilots don't see it that way and think Inc. must be lying.
If I was an ASA/Xjet pilot and I was living in base with a good QOL, I would have a hard time making a change until I was forced to, unless I was going to a major.
If I lived in base and my job was moving to NYC, I would make a switch now to a different regional and try to maintain QOL - knowing there are quick upgrades in nearly every other viable regional.
I find it pathetic to work for an airline that you despise. Yet, so many pilots do.
If I was an ASA/Xjet pilot and I was living in base with a good QOL, I would have a hard time making a change until I was forced to, unless I was going to a major.
If I lived in base and my job was moving to NYC, I would make a switch now to a different regional and try to maintain QOL - knowing there are quick upgrades in nearly every other viable regional.
I find it pathetic to work for an airline that you despise. Yet, so many pilots do.
04-09-2017, 07:30 AM
#6794
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Position: On guard
Posts: 154
Do soft landers get health insurance day 1 or are they subject to the wait period like a brand new person?
04-09-2017, 08:03 AM
#6796
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,464
Wow
Great comradery guys...
Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk
Great comradery guys...
Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk
04-09-2017, 08:28 AM
#6797
Ich bin Pilot von Beruf
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: CRJ Kapitän
Posts: 615
Is Karl even a SkyWest pilot? 737?
04-09-2017, 08:28 AM
#6798
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,238
Not sure i ran into one. He was a Captain here. Left to finish school and came back. He is on 10th year FO pay and will upgrade this summer back on 10th year Caltain pay. Guess that gamble paid off. If i see him again i will ask about the health care..
04-09-2017, 08:30 AM
#6799
Ich bin Pilot von Beruf
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: CRJ Kapitän
Posts: 615
That is great that we have that policy. Never say that some kind of unwarranted $*** can't happen to you, because if it does, you'll be begging to have your former job and a steady paycheck back.
04-09-2017, 09:52 AM
#6800
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 605
It appears to me that Inc. has tried a lot to make it work. I know the ASA/Xjet pilots don't see it that way and think Inc. must be lying.
If I was an ASA/Xjet pilot and I was living in base with a good QOL, I would have a hard time making a change until I was forced to, unless I was going to a major.
If I lived in base and my job was moving to NYC, I would make a switch now to a different regional and try to maintain QOL - knowing there are quick upgrades in nearly every other viable regional.
I find it pathetic to work for an airline that you despise. Yet, so many pilots do.
If I was an ASA/Xjet pilot and I was living in base with a good QOL, I would have a hard time making a change until I was forced to, unless I was going to a major.
If I lived in base and my job was moving to NYC, I would make a switch now to a different regional and try to maintain QOL - knowing there are quick upgrades in nearly every other viable regional.
I find it pathetic to work for an airline that you despise. Yet, so many pilots do.
On a side note, I had a new hire SkyWest FO on my jumpseat not too long ago, who spent about 30 minutes droning on about how we should be thankful to SkyWest Airlines for saving us back in 2009. We had a great chat afterwards, about how everything is really set up. Not sure what they're putting in the Kool-Aid during indoc over there, but someone needs to reign in the misinformation.
Ideally, I'd love to see XJT decertify ALPA, and join our SkyWest brothers and sisters in our own real union. Not some student council, not some corrupt national organization... But something that gives both our pilot groups some teeth to sink into Inc. Pipe dream, I know.
Anyway, this will be my last post on this matter. To the fine folks at SkyWest, keep fighting the good fight... We have your back. And, F-Inc for tearing to shreds two awesome airlines in ASA and XJT.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
