Skywest v2.0
03-03-2017, 06:19 AM
#6051
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Position: LAX ER
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The most junior FO based at IAH just moved from 2015 to 2016 (basically 9 months out of training). It jumped 6 months just this month.
And, if a 15 year SFO FO doesn't ever want to commute (for a few months) in order to upgrade, then a pilot needs to be satisfied with their QOL and stay put. It is their choice. The most junior captain on both the CRJ and E-Jet at SFO is much less than 15 years.
The problems that SW pilots have are minuscule compared to others.
And, if a 15 year SFO FO doesn't ever want to commute (for a few months) in order to upgrade, then a pilot needs to be satisfied with their QOL and stay put. It is their choice. The most junior captain on both the CRJ and E-Jet at SFO is much less than 15 years.
The problems that SW pilots have are minuscule compared to others.
Didn't really understand the 15 year SFO guy because our most senior base for Captain is SLC and that's 9 years. I know one of my buddies just upgraded this month from SFO but his employee number/hire date in the system is way off because he was a ramper for years.
03-03-2017, 06:40 AM
#6052
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
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Yeah the IAH wait is a whole extra story. Still 9 months isn't bad even though it's nearly impossible to get out there.
Didn't really understand the 15 year SFO guy because our most senior base for Captain is SLC and that's 9 years. I know one of my buddies just upgraded this month from SFO but his employee number/hire date in the system is way off because he was a ramper for years.
Didn't really understand the 15 year SFO guy because our most senior base for Captain is SLC and that's 9 years. I know one of my buddies just upgraded this month from SFO but his employee number/hire date in the system is way off because he was a ramper for years.
Also they often award vacancies to pilots who are already qualified on the airplane, before sending someone else to training. So if you're not already a CRJ CA, and very few openings pop up, odds are that some CRJ CA somewhere will be looking to bid in, and will probably be awarded that opening first, before someone who has to be trained.
It's well know that the best way to get into certain bases is to upgrade into a different (more junior) base and then transfer over when an opening pops up. You'll have better odds once qualified on the airplane in question.
03-03-2017, 06:57 AM
#6053
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Well if the base is overstaffed they won't let anyone in, regardless of seniority (you cannot bump those already in base).
Also they often award vacancies to pilots who are already qualified on the airplane, before sending someone else to training. So if you're not already a CRJ CA, and very few openings pop up, odds are that some CRJ CA somewhere will be looking to bid in, and will probably be awarded that opening first, before someone who has to be trained.
It's well know that the best way to get into certain bases is to upgrade into a different (more junior) base and then transfer over when an opening pops up. You'll have better odds once qualified on the airplane in question.
Also they often award vacancies to pilots who are already qualified on the airplane, before sending someone else to training. So if you're not already a CRJ CA, and very few openings pop up, odds are that some CRJ CA somewhere will be looking to bid in, and will probably be awarded that opening first, before someone who has to be trained.
It's well know that the best way to get into certain bases is to upgrade into a different (more junior) base and then transfer over when an opening pops up. You'll have better odds once qualified on the airplane in question.
03-03-2017, 07:01 AM
#6054
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Huh? You hold whatever your seniority can hold. What class you're in is irrelevant.
03-03-2017, 07:12 AM
#6055
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: E190 FO
Posts: 386
New file on the efb about activating cell setup. Anyone with any knowledge of when it's gonna happen and what are their expectations?
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03-03-2017, 09:13 AM
#6056
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
It's currently in testing. I believe it's for the maintenance log being put on there, doubt company will let us surf the web with it but who knows lol
03-03-2017, 09:51 AM
#6057
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Doesn't it all change so fast though? I mean 6 months ago SFO was the fastest place to a hold a line....MSP was a junior base you got in training....
You sound like it's years to touch west coast. I agree, it's slowing down so expect that but no reason to start panicking.
You sound like it's years to touch west coast. I agree, it's slowing down so expect that but no reason to start panicking.
Of course it changes fast. Bottom line though, Skywest's growth is all happening in the Midwest at the moment. The West Coast 175s are mostly in place, and the former UA -700 birds are moving (and many have already moved) to ORD and PHX to cover AA flying. Net result? We are overstaffed in the West and understaffed in the Midwest.
Until we somehow gain more flying in the West, upgrades and transfers into West Coast bases will remain stagnant. I have no idea where that growth could come from:
• The UA 175 airframes are nearly all in place and staffed.
• The UA 700s are going away (many are already in ORD/AA, and some in PHX/AA).
• There are no plans to add -200s in the West (nor in the Midwest, given Air Whisky's recent deal with UA.)
• Horizon's getting jets to fly for Alaska.
About the only flying I could imagine us getting is more DL 175 flying to cover the LAX-SFO shuttle that Compass appears to still be doing. But that's just one route.
Of course this is the airline industry. This'll all change tomorrow.
03-03-2017, 10:38 AM
#6058
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Position: 175 CA
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Who's panicking?
Of course it changes fast. Bottom line though, Skywest's growth is all happening in the Midwest at the moment. The West Coast 175s are mostly in place, and the former UA -700 birds are moving (and many have already moved) to ORD and PHX to cover AA flying. Net result? We are overstaffed in the West and understaffed in the Midwest.
Until we somehow gain more flying in the West, upgrades and transfers into West Coast bases will remain stagnant. I have no idea where that growth could come from:
• The UA 175 airframes are nearly all in place and staffed.
• The UA 700s are going away (many are already in ORD/AA, and some in PHX/AA).
• There are no plans to add -200s in the West (nor in the Midwest, given Air Whisky's recent deal with UA.)
• Horizon's getting jets to fly for Alaska.
About the only flying I could imagine us getting is more DL 175 flying to cover the LAX-SFO shuttle that Compass appears to still be doing. But that's just one route.
Of course this is the airline industry. This'll all change tomorrow.
Of course it changes fast. Bottom line though, Skywest's growth is all happening in the Midwest at the moment. The West Coast 175s are mostly in place, and the former UA -700 birds are moving (and many have already moved) to ORD and PHX to cover AA flying. Net result? We are overstaffed in the West and understaffed in the Midwest.
Until we somehow gain more flying in the West, upgrades and transfers into West Coast bases will remain stagnant. I have no idea where that growth could come from:
• The UA 175 airframes are nearly all in place and staffed.
• The UA 700s are going away (many are already in ORD/AA, and some in PHX/AA).
• There are no plans to add -200s in the West (nor in the Midwest, given Air Whisky's recent deal with UA.)
• Horizon's getting jets to fly for Alaska.
About the only flying I could imagine us getting is more DL 175 flying to cover the LAX-SFO shuttle that Compass appears to still be doing. But that's just one route.
Of course this is the airline industry. This'll all change tomorrow.
03-03-2017, 10:41 AM
#6059
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Position: Downward Dog
Posts: 1,875
I don't see us stagnating because we continue to hire and attrition is healthy.
If a new hire must have a domicile straight out of training and can't commute I suggest part 135/91.
"No promises" sucks but is very simple.
If a new hire must have a domicile straight out of training and can't commute I suggest part 135/91.
"No promises" sucks but is very simple.
03-03-2017, 10:57 AM
#6060
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No. In the US (different overseas), your seniority is global and applicable to all seats, aircraft, and bases. It is set based on hire date, and for those with the same hire date, some other random order.
This means your RELATIVE seniority in a certain base, airplane, and seat is what matters.
So if you stay an FO for a longer time, ie don't take the first upgrade, you can then wait until people with global seniority junior to you hold a line in a certain base, and then upgrade. You'll come into that base on top of those with global seniority less than yours.
For example, a certain pilot's seniority might look like this...
Global: 50%
Junior Base FO: 8%
Junior Base CA: 55%
Senior Base FO: 45%
Senior Base CA: Can't hold it at all.
If schedule was key, then he'd want to stay an FO in the junior base.
If money/TPIC was his priority, then he'd have to upgrade into the junior base.
If wanted to live in the senior base, he could be an FO with average seniority, but couldn't even hold CA yet. In some cases he might even have BETTER seniority as a junior base CA than a senior base FO!
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