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02-05-2017, 10:00 AM
#5641
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While not doom and gloom, 175 training will have to decrease as it goes from attrition & growth training to training for just attrition.
They even mentioned they expect to spend less money on training after the next two quarters on the call....if they don't secure more growth.
They even mentioned they expect to spend less money on training after the next two quarters on the call....if they don't secure more growth.
02-05-2017, 10:15 AM
#5642
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A few reasons: the bases have fleshed out and schedules have stabilized so there are more options for commuters. Also, as the 700's for UAL have disappeared, there are many senior people who feel that the 200 and its schedules are beneath them so they're choosing the big comfy new plane. Finally, since SEA/LAX/SFO get DL benefits there is no loss for those making the switch on the west coast.
UAL and AK deliveries are done end of Q2, and those classes have pretty much already been awarded for that staffing. All that's left is DL. ORD got 22 awards with 14 posted on the DVR, which tells me they got an extra plane allotted instead of sending it west to DEN or the coast. Every credible rumor is that classes will slow way down after spring except for maybe a handful of small ones for attrition. With the exception of ORD I expect to see 175 CA go much more senior from here on out.
UAL and AK deliveries are done end of Q2, and those classes have pretty much already been awarded for that staffing. All that's left is DL. ORD got 22 awards with 14 posted on the DVR, which tells me they got an extra plane allotted instead of sending it west to DEN or the coast. Every credible rumor is that classes will slow way down after spring except for maybe a handful of small ones for attrition. With the exception of ORD I expect to see 175 CA go much more senior from here on out.
02-05-2017, 01:18 PM
#5643
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Two separate issues here, ignoring the bonus for now.
Since the company exercised its right to raise 1st year pay to $ 36.50/hr, the year 1 to year 2 bump is the smallest that it's ever been. Always used to be a pretty good raise. Now, it's only $1.21/ hr (base rate).
Since the company exercised its right to raise 1st year pay to $ 36.50/hr, the year 1 to year 2 bump is the smallest that it's ever been. Always used to be a pretty good raise. Now, it's only $1.21/ hr (base rate).
02-05-2017, 02:05 PM
#5645
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year to year it goes up $2 or so along all Years so pretty consistent.
02-05-2017, 04:12 PM
#5646
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Well moment of truth, IF you were here at the time, did you vote yes to the pay package?
02-05-2017, 06:22 PM
#5647
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A few reasons: the bases have fleshed out and schedules have stabilized so there are more options for commuters. Also, as the 700's for UAL have disappeared, there are many senior people who feel that the 200 and its schedules are beneath them so they're choosing the big comfy new plane. Finally, since SEA/LAX/SFO get DL benefits there is no loss for those making the switch on the west coast.
UAL and AK deliveries are done end of Q2, and those classes have pretty much already been awarded for that staffing. All that's left is DL. ORD got 22 awards with 14 posted on the DVR, which tells me they got an extra plane allotted instead of sending it west to DEN or the coast. Every credible rumor is that classes will slow way down after spring except for maybe a handful of small ones for attrition. With the exception of ORD I expect to see 175 CA go much more senior from here on out.
UAL and AK deliveries are done end of Q2, and those classes have pretty much already been awarded for that staffing. All that's left is DL. ORD got 22 awards with 14 posted on the DVR, which tells me they got an extra plane allotted instead of sending it west to DEN or the coast. Every credible rumor is that classes will slow way down after spring except for maybe a handful of small ones for attrition. With the exception of ORD I expect to see 175 CA go much more senior from here on out.
Does this mean that come Q2 and Q3, e175 new hires will likely go to ORD out of training, like they did back in 2015?
02-05-2017, 11:19 PM
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1st year pay has increased more than 50% in the past 18 months while subsequent years have seen token increases that haven't even kept pace with inflation.
I wasn't, but would've voted no. The raises to year 2 onward were pretty insulting, irrespective of gains elsewhere. The current package was all about the profit sharing, and magically, those profits have vanished, according to the earnings call.
02-06-2017, 07:08 AM
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And yes, 175 upgrade will most definitely slow down once we have all the planes on property, as by definition the growth there will be done. AND a large portion of the Captain positions in the more senior bases (not ORD) are lifers. The math there isn't really difficult.
02-06-2017, 07:08 AM
#5650
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No, I'm saying that pay for 2nd and subsequent years should be higher. Before the company exercised their option, the year 1 to year 2 gap was $7.71/hr. Previous to the current pay scales, that gap was about $13/hr ($24/hr vs $37.15/hr).
1st year pay has increased more than 50% in the past 18 months while subsequent years have seen token increases that haven't even kept pace with inflation.
I wasn't, but would've voted no. The raises to year 2 onward were pretty insulting, irrespective of gains elsewhere. The current package was all about the profit sharing, and magically, those profits have vanished, according to the earnings call.
1st year pay has increased more than 50% in the past 18 months while subsequent years have seen token increases that haven't even kept pace with inflation.
I wasn't, but would've voted no. The raises to year 2 onward were pretty insulting, irrespective of gains elsewhere. The current package was all about the profit sharing, and magically, those profits have vanished, according to the earnings call.
I'm sure they just lied on the SEC filings to avoid paying you a few hundred dollars from profit sharing!
So you weren't here for the vote but obviously benefited from that big first year pay increase did you not? Hearing new hires complain about their pay when it's the highest it's ever been is a little "insulting" if you ask me!
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