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Old 01-27-2017, 01:11 PM
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sounds like I should avoid United totally? No regionals are any good that support UA.
Are y'all recommending American over United?
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Old 01-27-2017, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by saxman66
These new bid transparency sheets are almost useless. You can't tell who has the trips and you can't tell where you would sit in the seniority list.
They're not going to identify individuals and their personal schedules; that's not the point of it. You can see where you sit in the stack by figuring out your seniority in base, which pbs tells you where you were for that bid and it's highlighted yellow on the report, then you can see what people senior and junior to you are being awarded. What it won't do is show you how people are bidding, that's what the instructions/online documents are for.
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Old 01-27-2017, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by saxman66
These new bid transparency sheets are almost useless. You can't tell who has the trips and you can't tell where you would sit in the seniority list.
When the bid opens look at the seniority list in PBS. That will correlate each person to the line number in the transparency report.

If you want to know where you'd be in another base the best way I can think of is looking at the seniority list and seeing what percentage you'd be in base there. Then look at that percentage in the line awards and that should give you a rough idea what you'd get. Better yet, if you know someone in that bid package (AC type/base/rank) have them send you the seniority list in that bid package and you'll know exactly where you'd fall in line.
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Old 01-27-2017, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by spikemath
They're not going to identify individuals and their personal schedules; that's not the point of it. You can see where you sit in the stack by figuring out your seniority in base, which pbs tells you where you were for that bid and it's highlighted yellow on the report, then you can see what people senior and junior to you are being awarded. What it won't do is show you how people are bidding, that's what the instructions/online documents are for.
But you can't really tell where you sit in other domiciles. The seniority list on SWOL isn't accurate at all. In one domicile 122 captains are on the SWOL list while only 82 lines (reserve and line holders) were awarded on the PBS list. That means 40 guys are still in training. That's enough to skew the numbers by quite a bit.
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Old 01-27-2017, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by saxman66
But you can't really tell where you sit in other domiciles. The seniority list on SWOL isn't accurate at all. In one domicile 122 captains are on the SWOL list while only 82 lines (reserve and line holders) were awarded on the PBS list. That means 40 guys are still in training. That's enough to skew the numbers by quite a bit.
It's not easy (as it should be) but with a little work with Skedplus you can figure out who's flying what. Just pick a flight out of a pairing next month and see who's working it.

I've no idea why the employee number isn't next to the line award. Seems like HDQ is just screwing with us. They had to deliberately leave that info off the report.

Seeing how I'd bid in the top 5-10% in every domicile outside SLC I found I was able to figure out where I'd sit with just a little effort. And I'm glad to be able to see what others are getting. If you have to determine the 80% position it would be harder.
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Old 01-28-2017, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Utah
It's not easy (as it should be) but with a little work with Skedplus you can figure out who's flying what. Just pick a flight out of a pairing next month and see who's working it.

I've no idea why the employee number isn't next to the line award. Seems like HDQ is just screwing with us. They had to deliberately leave that info off the report.

Seeing how I'd bid in the top 5-10% in every domicile outside SLC I found I was able to figure out where I'd sit with just a little effort. And I'm glad to be able to see what others are getting. If you have to determine the 80% position it would be harder.


You missed a domicile that you wouldn't bid in the top 5-10%...

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Old 01-28-2017, 03:27 AM
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I figured incorrectly a "reason" list was going to be posted. At first glance, this data is almost useless to finger shenanigans as we already know trips go junior normally due to globalization.
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Student01
sounds like I should avoid United totally? No regionals are any good that support UA.
Are y'all recommending American over United?
Nobody said that. Everyone is saying that Houston is not the best place to be for a regional pilot right now. You would be better off moving or commuting than setting your sights on being based in Houston.
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by saxman66
But you can't really tell where you sit in other domiciles. The seniority list on SWOL isn't accurate at all. In one domicile 122 captains are on the SWOL list while only 82 lines (reserve and line holders) were awarded on the PBS list. That means 40 guys are still in training. That's enough to skew the numbers by quite a bit.
It shouldn't be that easy. That's the point of it being anonymous. However you can figure it out in base pretty easily just by doing 3 mins of work like others said. But you are complaining that you can't figure out different bases. Just get someone from that base to give you the seniority list and BAM, you have it. Also you will NEVER truly know what you will get. As we all know PBS is almost impossible to actually figure out because of the globalization BS. What worked for that past 3 months will all of a sudden give you PN/CN trips over weekends. Also Everyone changes how they bid depending on what they need. So again you willl NEVER truly know. This is "transparency" is to give more insight into if you bid specific pairings and say someone junior got your trip when you get CN'd. That's about it. You will only get a ballpark idea of what your seniority will hold if you transfer.
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Old 01-28-2017, 03:33 PM
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If anybody has recently gone through the ctp course, I'd like to pm you with a few questions. I'm going to Atl for it on the 4th. Thank you!
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