ClickClickBoom

Fact.....
3 Union drives, all failed some by more than others, but still no Union or any prospect, so yeah, no "critical mass". To "fight" for improvements there has to be a mechanism. Wishing, whilst easy is not very effective. There are 2 options at this point, #1-accept it for what it is, and live with it, or #2-leave and get what you desire elsewhere.
The irony is in an industry where no one wants to rock the boat, even if they escape the regionals and get to a major, that attitude will just move with them. Kinda sad really.

Is offline

Then you have never worked anywhere else. Being employed by three different regionals the qol is the same here as everywhere else. There are a lot of shady things that happen regularly and it just gets swept under the rug.

Jvw700

Then why SkyWest? Every other carrier is union. Why would you come here? Hell, even Mesa is ALPA..... since QOL is the same why not go there? You would have upgraded 2 years ago there...

N1234

I fully agree. My comment was more an observation that explains the current dynamic than a criticism.

We are not mainline and never will be. So people need to get comfortable with the economics. And there have been enough examples of regionals pushing it too far and becoming extinct. Our sister companies may turn into the most recent example....

ClickClickBoom

That paradigm comes from a time when the majors weren't hiring, and were in fact furloughing. The company used to crow about having 4000 viable applications to chose from, now having a pulse is qualification enough. I have flown with many guys new and senior who belonged in the position, but I have also flown as of late, too many who did not. The pool is dry, the funny thing is,the very things that would attract more people into the job, money and QOL are the very things they are cutting. After first year, second year is the same as 10 years ago when the 4000 choices were available. Can't fix stupid.
BTW, the people boarding my plane(in a specific paint scheme), bought their tickets on mainline.com and are reading mainline magazine from the seat back pocket, they boarded a mainline jetbridge, by mainline gate agents and the ticket counter was staffed by mainline employees, the planes are catered by companies contracted to serve mainline food and beverages. We aren't mainline in pay, workrules and employer(who contracts with mainline). So I will beg to differ on the mainline status from a practical point.

N1234

That is the beauty of the model. We deliver a mainline product but my W2 is clearly not mainline.

We are the outsourced workbench and mainline would outsource even more if they could. This is no different than what Foxconn is for Apple - contract manufacturing .... we buy the image and brand of an iphone but it is delivered by outsourced labor. Just like your UA/DL/AA/AS flight (and ticket, and experience, etc. ) operated by xxxx

I have no idea how dry the pipeline really is. But I am afraid there are a lot more tools in regional managements shed to come up with new schemes to secure a supply of folks.....

ClickClickBoom

My point exactly! The issue is pilots and the lack thereof, 10 years ago, every F/O I flew with was good to very good. Today, that's not quite the same. The proof is this, a reduced supply of pilots to the point that the company eliminated the hiring standards and shifted to the Level D interview process is very expensive. The failure rate is currently 5 times the average from just a few years ago. Come to the wrong regional(they all are), without the necessary skills and you will go home with a couple of pink slips for your efforts/interview. Managers can't scheme pilots where there are none. They can't figger out that the only way to attract pilots is to make the job good enough to attract them. Currently the job isn't quite good enough to enough new fish. The proof is in the pudding, the company eliminated the essential parts of the interview process to increase the number of potential candidates. For our company, you cannot consider yourself a successful line pilot until IOE and a random amount of time is in the rearview. Sorry the machine is flashing the red master warning and they are just thinking that running the performance numbers will make it go away......

AUpilot77

Does anyone have the updated CRJ DOH to line holder times for DTW and ORD? Trying to estimate how long reserve will be. I should finish class by the end of March.

Rocksteady

7/25 class just became line holders and the 8/15 will be composite/line holders, but it probably will mean nothing for you because DTW will likely be a larger base with 700s/900s by the time you get there

AUpilot77

Thanks for the info. I'm assuming that means the reserve time would go down as a result of the growing base?