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12-25-2016, 09:16 AM
#4941
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Posts: 107
K', so trying to get a feel for what is actually occurring in the real world ... haven't flown since 95, was a 121 commuter captain until then (DHC8) ... Sorry, to be more clear, just recently flew 3.5 h in a 172 for a BFR, got my paper license changed to this new plastic thingy I've never heard about and am just trying to go with the flow...sort of working on my bucket list. You know, house paid for in 7 months, 4 kids put through college, trucking and construction did that in last 20 years. Recruiters at this airline and others, tell me upgrade less than 8 months with my quals. ( 11000 TT, 9000 TPIC, 121 & 135, etc) Is this for real?? Don't get me wrong, I need to sit in the right seat for a few months, just to get my bearings back ... but not going to swing gear for more than a year, bad CRM, it'll bring back my worst traits, which include starting many sentences with:" Listen Boy" and ending them with:"I was doing this when you were in diapers". This sounds terrible, I used to be really easy to fly with and sure that I still am...but don't have a ton of time left (late 50's) and bucket list or not, am not giving up #5 in seniority at a fortune 100 trucking company.
Very sorry, but I've been very lucky in aviation, less than 4 months as an FO, ever. Left corporate in 88 and my first and only airline had a lot of Embry FO's and needed 5000 TT and 2000TPIC to upgrade, which I had ++ when I started. Don't really care about many of the same things you guys do, fully vested in several pensions, (teamster, operating engineers, longshore), wife works for state, on PERS, we both have no deductible health plans, etc. Just sort of would like to get back to flying ... but just not comfy in right seat for very long. This is really my only criteria, :first, "how fast to upgrade??", second, I live in the PNW, pretty sure I'm too old to commute gracefully, third, I'm a Deacon in the Church, with all the requisite responsibilities, etc...(run a shelter, run a home for unwed mothers, etc, on the board of share for life, etc, etc, don't really have a lot of extra time, so please clarify the Delta of recruiter 8 mo. / poster 8 years. Thank you kindly.
Very sorry, but I've been very lucky in aviation, less than 4 months as an FO, ever. Left corporate in 88 and my first and only airline had a lot of Embry FO's and needed 5000 TT and 2000TPIC to upgrade, which I had ++ when I started. Don't really care about many of the same things you guys do, fully vested in several pensions, (teamster, operating engineers, longshore), wife works for state, on PERS, we both have no deductible health plans, etc. Just sort of would like to get back to flying ... but just not comfy in right seat for very long. This is really my only criteria, :first, "how fast to upgrade??", second, I live in the PNW, pretty sure I'm too old to commute gracefully, third, I'm a Deacon in the Church, with all the requisite responsibilities, etc...(run a shelter, run a home for unwed mothers, etc, on the board of share for life, etc, etc, don't really have a lot of extra time, so please clarify the Delta of recruiter 8 mo. / poster 8 years. Thank you kindly.
I would suggest you keep on with the trucking business. They used to have interview questions for applicants such as yourself... "How will you handle being a FO to someone younger and less experienced than yourself?"
Hint.. "listen boy" or "I was doing this while you were in diapers" are not the answer they're looking for.
Regards,
A 30 year old Skywest Captain
12-25-2016, 09:49 AM
#4942
Endless Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: E190 FO
Posts: 386
I think you pretty much summed it up. You will be an FO "swinging gear" for captains much younger than you for around 2 years. The attitude that you are somehow above them, or have nothing to learn from them is dangerous, and like you said yourself is bad CRM.
I would suggest you keep on with the trucking business. They used to have interview questions for applicants such as yourself... "How will you handle being a FO to someone younger and less experienced than yourself?"
Hint.. "listen boy" or "I was doing this while you were in diapers" are not the answer they're looking for.
Regards,
A 30 year old Skywest Captain
I would suggest you keep on with the trucking business. They used to have interview questions for applicants such as yourself... "How will you handle being a FO to someone younger and less experienced than yourself?"
Hint.. "listen boy" or "I was doing this while you were in diapers" are not the answer they're looking for.
Regards,
A 30 year old Skywest Captain
'Nuff said!
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12-25-2016, 09:58 AM
#4943
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Guppy Gear Slinger
Posts: 2,038
K', so trying to get a feel for what is actually occurring in the real world ... haven't flown since 95, was a 121 commuter captain until then (DHC8) ... Sorry, to be more clear, just recently flew 3.5 h in a 172 for a BFR, got my paper license changed to this new plastic thingy I've never heard about and am just trying to go with the flow...sort of working on my bucket list. You know, house paid for in 7 months, 4 kids put through college, trucking and construction did that in last 20 years. Recruiters at this airline and others, tell me upgrade less than 8 months with my quals. ( 11000 TT, 9000 TPIC, 121 & 135, etc) Is this for real?? Don't get me wrong, I need to sit in the right seat for a few months, just to get my bearings back ... but not going to swing gear for more than a year, bad CRM, it'll bring back my worst traits, which include starting many sentences with:" Listen Boy" and ending them with:"I was doing this when you were in diapers". This sounds terrible, I used to be really easy to fly with and sure that I still am...but don't have a ton of time left (late 50's) and bucket list or not, am not giving up #5 in seniority at a fortune 100 trucking company.
Very sorry, but I've been very lucky in aviation, less than 4 months as an FO, ever. Left corporate in 88 and my first and only airline had a lot of Embry FO's and needed 5000 TT and 2000TPIC to upgrade, which I had ++ when I started. Don't really care about many of the same things you guys do, fully vested in several pensions, (teamster, operating engineers, longshore), wife works for state, on PERS, we both have no deductible health plans, etc. Just sort of would like to get back to flying ... but just not comfy in right seat for very long. This is really my only criteria, :first, "how fast to upgrade??", second, I live in the PNW, pretty sure I'm too old to commute gracefully, third, I'm a Deacon in the Church, with all the requisite responsibilities, etc...(run a shelter, run a home for unwed mothers, etc, on the board of share for life, etc, etc, don't really have a lot of extra time, so please clarify the Delta of recruiter 8 mo. / poster 8 years. Thank you kindly.
Very sorry, but I've been very lucky in aviation, less than 4 months as an FO, ever. Left corporate in 88 and my first and only airline had a lot of Embry FO's and needed 5000 TT and 2000TPIC to upgrade, which I had ++ when I started. Don't really care about many of the same things you guys do, fully vested in several pensions, (teamster, operating engineers, longshore), wife works for state, on PERS, we both have no deductible health plans, etc. Just sort of would like to get back to flying ... but just not comfy in right seat for very long. This is really my only criteria, :first, "how fast to upgrade??", second, I live in the PNW, pretty sure I'm too old to commute gracefully, third, I'm a Deacon in the Church, with all the requisite responsibilities, etc...(run a shelter, run a home for unwed mothers, etc, on the board of share for life, etc, etc, don't really have a lot of extra time, so please clarify the Delta of recruiter 8 mo. / poster 8 years. Thank you kindly.
Yes, we all hear about the guys who fly 9 days a month, but they're only able to do that after many years at their airline. Being a former 121 guy, you should understand this already. Doesn't sound like your current obligations leave any room for a 121 job.
And really, that attitude about swinging gear is something you need to gate-check.
12-25-2016, 10:45 AM
#4944
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,111
Is it too late to opt someone in for AA 2017 benefits? I heard from someone you can still do it it'll just take awhile for it to show up in the system.
12-25-2016, 10:51 AM
#4945
New Hire
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 8
Mil Leave Question
1. Are there travel days on either side of mil leave? And how does it work? i.e. one calendar day on either side of the leave or 24 hours on either side?
2. In the PPM, it says mil leave gets 2.9 hours per day as a "pre-assigned activity." What does that mean?
I'll be commuting to the SKW job, so I'm just trying to figure out how to make it work.
Merry Christmas and thanks.
2. In the PPM, it says mil leave gets 2.9 hours per day as a "pre-assigned activity." What does that mean?
I'll be commuting to the SKW job, so I'm just trying to figure out how to make it work.
Merry Christmas and thanks.
12-25-2016, 10:53 AM
#4946
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 136
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah , Happy Holdiays, Happy festivus for the rest of us!
12-25-2016, 02:24 PM
#4947
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2014
Position: EZ on rudders, not a C-130...
Posts: 27
I was at SkyWest for all of 9 months before I moved onto the mainline of choice. That makes sense because I am a retired USAF officer and pilot. Needed a shot of recency-of-experience to get my app scored but that was it. Staffer the last year-and-a-half so no flying.
But saying that, my resume and credentials are what you'd expect of a 24-year mil pilot.
During my all too brief stop at SKW I was paired constantly with CA's a decade or more younger than me. In every case I was impressed by their depth of knowledge and scope of understanding about the civil aviation world. I couldn't imagine making the transition from mil flying to left seat without a substantial time in FO land learning the ropes.
You mentioned you've been out of the seat since 1995. Your lack of humility before the passage of years is stunning. Such an intractable animosity to taking the time to learn puts you way beyond the acceptable. Who would want to sit in a small cockpit with that ego?
SkyWest is not the place for that kind of arrogance.
12-25-2016, 04:01 PM
#4948
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 926
1. Are there travel days on either side of mil leave? And how does it work? i.e. one calendar day on either side of the leave or 24 hours on either side?
2. In the PPM, it says mil leave gets 2.9 hours per day as a "pre-assigned activity." What does that mean?
I'll be commuting to the SKW job, so I'm just trying to figure out how to make it work.
Merry Christmas and thanks.
2. In the PPM, it says mil leave gets 2.9 hours per day as a "pre-assigned activity." What does that mean?
I'll be commuting to the SKW job, so I'm just trying to figure out how to make it work.
Merry Christmas and thanks.
2. Pre-assigned is just got scheduling. It just locks out a block of time in the PBS which counts tword your credit total but not pay. If that makes any sense haha
12-25-2016, 06:01 PM
#4949
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 737FO
Posts: 70
Anyone know the rules regarding maximum allowed sit time between flights? I seem to remember something about 4+ hours requires a hotel. I can't seem to find the information in the PIG.
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