elmetal

Nope. RG in the lizard people airport

Turbosina

You, sir, are an idiot. That's really all there is to it. Please go away and leave this forum to the professionals.

WesternSkies

The amount of guys flying sick here is pretty bad. It's as if they don't know the FAA will nail them up if they find out. These guys directly put pay/company/passengers ahead of safety.
I am impressed with the number of people that will fatigue out though. That seems to be the harder for one for pilots to self examine and companies to politely swallow but I see it more often then I think I would.

rickair7777

It's hard for the FAA to nail anyone for "flying sick" unless they had a medical diagnosis for something on record or bought some meds. What's the threshold for "sick"? Scratchy throat?
Sneezing/Coughing? How hard and how often?
Runny nose? How much?
Stomach not feel so great? How do you measure that?

There's nothing that says you can't fly while slightly less than optimal, but the difference between sub-optimal and impaired is very nebulous and objective. All the person has to do is deny being sick at all. So what if someone saw them cough or sneeze, most of us do that several times a day anyway.

It's probably easier to bust someone for flying fatigued in many cases because they leave a digital paper trail...
Social media
Internet use
Nonrev commute
Credit card purchases

All of that can prove that you were doing something other than sleeping.

Not advocating flying sick, but there's not much the FAA can do about it. The other crew member is the only who can really do anything...refuse to fly with someone who's obviously impaired.

Is offline

People flying sick here is out of hand. It is getting rediclous, and it's not just flight attendants.

WhistleBlwr

FAA won't care until there's and incident or accident. Then it will hit the fan.

Or until the ASAP's start flooding in.

JB22

You're funny. Ill fly with you someday when I upgrade and you'll realize it's not me who's the idiot. I'll make that very clear.

disillusioned

There seems to be a lot of people who want to help the company out and that is the difference SW had for a long time. But I just want to remind the new guys (or maybe all the pilots) of what happened when this FO helped the company out. His reward was a couple months off without pay and I don't remember the company having his back. I may have my facts off, but I thought there was a lot of frustration on SAPA's part as they were trying to help get both pilots back on the line and there was little support on the company side. This of course was back in the day when we had a President that wasn't afraid to call the company out and be vocal to the pilots of what was going on.

Who knows, maybe this loss of license thing that SAPA is focusing all the resources on may have helped the pilots in this case? /sarcasm

Turbosina

You're so brave on the Internet! As for the upgrade, come talk to me when you've jumped about 1,000 numbers ahead on our seniority list, since that's what you'd need to get ahead of me.

Electra

This was also at a time when CS would "coerce" someone who was calling in sick from an outstation, guilt-tripping people about cancelling or delaying the flight and refusing to provide transport home. The FAA slapped the company pretty hard about this, too, since it was on the tapes. Now, they only get to say "okay, we're taking you off the trip."