Skywest v2.0
10-18-2016, 05:25 PM
#3791
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 136
I was hired in July, I haven't even touched an airplane and I'm in the 70% range in DTW. Stay there. We need growth.
10-18-2016, 06:46 PM
#3792
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,680
Do some international nonrev if you can, may be hard to do later on.
10-19-2016, 06:24 AM
#3793
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 261
I really couldn't disagree more. The rehire policy is skw's cheap plan to not give any of us a retention bonus as you are seeing at other regionals. Frankly if I left and had to come back to a regional why would I come back here? There are no sign on bonuses and no retention bonuses and with payscales across the board for FO's essentially at 40$ there is no gain here either. It unfortunately is a poorly worked or negotiated farce in the hands of skw. As for the loss of medical insurance well again thats great if you are a skw lifer but most of us are not and want out so other than giving people another reason to jam up the seniority list this is not a gain in any way. Frankly this is simply a retention bonus for skw and nothing to do with the pilot group. I would be shocked if people really thought otherwise.
10-19-2016, 06:54 AM
#3794
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,680
I really couldn't disagree more. The rehire policy is skw's cheap plan to not give any of us a retention bonus as you are seeing at other regionals. Frankly if I left and had to come back to a regional why would I come back here? There are no sign on bonuses and no retention bonuses and with payscales across the board for FO's essentially at 40$ there is no gain here either. It unfortunately is a poorly worked or negotiated farce in the hands of skw. As for the loss of medical insurance well again thats great if you are a skw lifer but most of us are not and want out so other than giving people another reason to jam up the seniority list this is not a gain in any way. Frankly this is simply a retention bonus for skw and nothing to do with the pilot group. I would be shocked if people really thought otherwise.
Also have you spent much time at other regionals? There's a reason that half of SKW pilots came from other regionals...if something happens and you end up spending more time as a regional pilot than you planned (my entire generation got to do this for about 15 years) SKW is about the best place to be unless you live in a base for one of a handful of other regionals.
The loss-of-medical (aka loss of license) insurance has nothing to do with the company...it was arranged by SAPA for the benefit of those who want it. If you don't want it, don't sign up. It was not traded instead of something else.
The rehire policy is useful for folks who have been here a while. ANYBODY who is planning on doing the traditional career track of upgrading, getting 1K-2K TPIC and then going to a major should appreciate that. If you flunk out or get furloughed you would likely be able to come back here, get a paycheck and bennies, and then upgrade again in a couple years. Now you're probably at 7-10 years longevity which isn't horrible. I don't think it cost us much if anything, it's good for the company because it enables senior (expensive) CA's to move on with a fallback position.
10-19-2016, 07:13 AM
#3795
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 261
Sign-on and retention bonuses? Well I get thousands of dollars of performance bonuses every year. Plus 28 hours of holiday pay.
Also have you spent much time at other regionals? There's a reason that half of SKW pilots came from other regionals...if something happens and you end up spending more time as a regional pilot than you planned (my entire generation got to do this for about 15 years) SKW is about the best place to be unless you live in a base for one of a handful of other regionals.
The loss-of-medical (aka loss of license) insurance has nothing to do with the company...it was arranged by SAPA for the benefit of those who want it. If you don't want it, don't sign up. It was not traded instead of something else.
The rehire policy is useful for folks who have been here a while. ANYBODY who is planning on doing the traditional career track of upgrading, getting 1K-2K TPIC and then going to a major should appreciate that. If you flunk out or get furloughed you would likely be able to come back here, get a paycheck and bennies, and then upgrade again in a couple years. Now you're probably at 7-10 years longevity which isn't horrible. I don't think it cost us much if anything, it's good for the company because it enables senior (expensive) CA's to move on with a fallback position.
Also have you spent much time at other regionals? There's a reason that half of SKW pilots came from other regionals...if something happens and you end up spending more time as a regional pilot than you planned (my entire generation got to do this for about 15 years) SKW is about the best place to be unless you live in a base for one of a handful of other regionals.
The loss-of-medical (aka loss of license) insurance has nothing to do with the company...it was arranged by SAPA for the benefit of those who want it. If you don't want it, don't sign up. It was not traded instead of something else.
The rehire policy is useful for folks who have been here a while. ANYBODY who is planning on doing the traditional career track of upgrading, getting 1K-2K TPIC and then going to a major should appreciate that. If you flunk out or get furloughed you would likely be able to come back here, get a paycheck and bennies, and then upgrade again in a couple years. Now you're probably at 7-10 years longevity which isn't horrible. I don't think it cost us much if anything, it's good for the company because it enables senior (expensive) CA's to move on with a fallback position.
Last edited by soakingpilot; 10-19-2016 at 07:23 AM.
10-19-2016, 07:24 AM
#3796
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 49
are we still filling classes??
10-19-2016, 07:49 AM
#3797
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 443
Well first off 40 x 128 is 1120 and even including perf and quaterly bonuses it doesnt come near what other regionals are offering first year FO's or CA's in terms of compensation via bonus. Further your disqualifying statement of myself having NOT ( your right ) been at other regionals though being just fodder for flame makes an interesting point. For whatever reasons skw may have in fact been the place to hang your hat well things change. These two policies put in place are in my view of course minute attempts to appease a pilot group who is simply under compensated in todays market. Ill reiterate again that they only really help to benefit skw who I think going forward will be the group who is in fact no longer filling classes to the level they want because simply of money for a new hire. They are disguised to look beneficial as if the company cares but the reality is they are just saving themselves and protecting the product they have to offer to the majors going forward.
As far as work rules/soft pay/QOL go, Skywest is above the rest.
10-19-2016, 07:55 AM
#3798
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 261
Lol the ink isn't even dry on the AA WO new compensation and you are hemming and hawing about how underpaid we are at Skywest? Relax. Skywest will increase compensation to stay competitive in the next contract.
As far as work rules/soft pay/QOL go, Skywest is above the rest.
As far as work rules/soft pay/QOL go, Skywest is above the rest.
As long as I am flying for cheap in a regional then no I wont be relaxed and I like to call out what it is when it is.
Thanks for your input.
10-19-2016, 07:56 AM
#3799
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,680
Well first off 40 x 128 is 1120 and even including perf and quaterly bonuses it doesnt come near what other regionals are offering first year FO's or CA's in terms of compensation via bonus. Further your disqualifying statement of myself having NOT ( your right ) been at other regionals though being just fodder for flame makes an interesting point. For whatever reasons skw may have in fact been the place to hang your hat well things change. These two policies put in place are in my view of course minute attempts to appease a pilot group who is simply under compensated in todays market. Ill reiterate again that they only really help to benefit skw who I think going forward will be the group who is in fact no longer filling classes to the level they want because simply of money for a new hire. They are disguised to look beneficial as if the company cares but the reality is they are just saving themselves and protecting the product they have to offer to the majors going forward.
Most regional (or major) airline pilots don't care about first year pay or sign-on bonuses. That's the company's problem with regard to recruiting. Once on the seniority list, pilots are concerned with long-term compensation and stability.
I suggest you go try a regional that has a big sign-on bonus instead of SKW (just hope to God you don't get stuck there). There's a reason for those bonuses. Enjoy.
10-19-2016, 07:57 AM
#3800
Ich bin Pilot von Beruf
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: CRJ Kapitän
Posts: 616
Soakingpilot, you hit the nail on the head with that post.
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