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10-09-2016, 07:44 AM
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10-09-2016, 09:02 AM
#3693
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I am currently a CFI/MEI @ around 850 hrs, I just wrapped up an interview with a part 135 operator flying SIC in a KingAir350. At the end of the interview and job offer the HR guy made some confusing statements. Looking for some clarity before I accept. He said that their OP Specs did not require an SIC but their insurance did. According to the FARs 61.51 I can't log that time as SIC even with a type rating because the KA350 is certificated under single pilot operations. My next question to him is then how do I build time? He said most of their pilots were MEI's and that I could log PIC as the sole manipulator of the controls. Then I asked if any of their captains had the "Need an SIC" endorsement on their certificates, he said no.
My question, will Skywest or any 121 operator allow me to count that total time and dual received towards an ATP? I get that it is multi turbine time but I have a super sweet CFI job that I dont want to leave if I'm just going to have to make up all of those hours that wont be counted.
My question, will Skywest or any 121 operator allow me to count that total time and dual received towards an ATP? I get that it is multi turbine time but I have a super sweet CFI job that I dont want to leave if I'm just going to have to make up all of those hours that wont be counted.
10-09-2016, 04:10 PM
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I flew for a 135 company as a required SIC under Op Specs on the PC12. SkyWest didn't ask any questions about that during the interview/ logbook review during ground.
10-09-2016, 04:24 PM
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The difference is that you were at a company that was approved by the faa to have a two pilot crew, where the other guy is looking at a company that is not approved by the faa for a two man crew but only required by insurance. He "can't" log sic in that aircraft, but that doesn't mean that people don't log the time anyways and avoid the conversation later.
10-09-2016, 04:32 PM
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When i went through training, one of the training manangers came to our class and said that there was a guy who got hired with 1500 hours. He was part way through training and they looked at his logbooks and he logged a lot of SIC in single pilot operations. He was essentially 1000 hours short.
If you are coming from a 135 that requires a SIC in the opspecs, you will he fine.
If you are coming from a 135 that requires a SIC in the opspecs, you will he fine.
10-09-2016, 04:41 PM
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The difference is that you were at a company that was approved by the faa to have a two pilot crew, where the other guy is looking at a company that is not approved by the faa for a two man crew but only required by insurance. He "can't" log sic in that aircraft, but that doesn't mean that people don't log the time anyways and avoid the conversation later.
I'll let him decide if that's the right thing to do or not.
10-09-2016, 06:50 PM
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When i went through training, one of the training manangers came to our class and said that there was a guy who got hired with 1500 hours. He was part way through training and they looked at his logbooks and he logged a lot of SIC in single pilot operations. He was essentially 1000 hours short.
If you are coming from a 135 that requires a SIC in the opspecs, you will he fine.
If you are coming from a 135 that requires a SIC in the opspecs, you will he fine.
135 carrying passengers under IFR requires an SIC because of the regulations not the operations specifications....just to be clear. Doesn't matter if the plane is a single pilot type certificate. The opspec you find for those operators is an option to use an autopilot in lieu of an SIC. The operator can choose to exercise this option, or keep the SIC, up to them.
If it is under vfr, like mokulele often is, then the SIC must be required by the ops spec in order for him to legally log SIC, or so I'm told. I'm not sure what the opspec is called, by none of my friends at mokulele have had trouble validating their hours. They all upgrade at 1200 using at least some of those SIC hours to contribute to the total time.
There are not many part 91 operations where an SIC is required, as far as I understand.
9 or less commuter under IFR (surf air, boutique, seaport?, cape air, air choice one, etc) should all be fine. Nobody from my shop has been turned away because of this.
§135.101 Second in command required under IFR.
Except as provided in §135.105, no person may operate an aircraft carrying passengers under IFR unless there is a second in command in the aircraft.
See, not an OPSPEC, this is a FAR, your hours are protected by this reg.
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