Skywest v2.0
10-01-2016, 10:00 PM
#3571
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: Another RJ FO
Posts: 1,272
I know what the rationale is, I just don't agree with it. I agree with giving seniority to prior SKYW employees who actually worked here in some other capacity, but not for people who were hired off the street to be pilots but lacked a key qualification. If anything, they should be at the bottom of in-class seniority for having cost the company all that extra money.
Two dudes interview same day, one with 121 experience, an ATP, and a type in the same plane the company flies; the other is a Commercial/CFI with no 121 experience, yet he will end up being senior to the first guy simply because he was LESS qualified? It's wrong.
The seniority hit cost me when it came time to bid for sim, bid for domicile, and eventually vacation, upgrade, etc. It's just wrong.
Two dudes interview same day, one with 121 experience, an ATP, and a type in the same plane the company flies; the other is a Commercial/CFI with no 121 experience, yet he will end up being senior to the first guy simply because he was LESS qualified? It's wrong.
The seniority hit cost me when it came time to bid for sim, bid for domicile, and eventually vacation, upgrade, etc. It's just wrong.
10-01-2016, 10:33 PM
#3572
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 166
I know what the rationale is, I just don't agree with it. I agree with giving seniority to prior SKYW employees who actually worked here in some other capacity, but not for people who were hired off the street to be pilots but lacked a key qualification. If anything, they should be at the bottom of in-class seniority for having cost the company all that extra money.
Two dudes interview same day, one with 121 experience, an ATP, and a type in the same plane the company flies; the other is a Commercial/CFI with no 121 experience, yet he will end up being senior to the first guy simply because he was LESS qualified? It's wrong.
The seniority hit cost me when it came time to bid for sim, bid for domicile, and eventually vacation, upgrade, etc. It's just wrong.
Two dudes interview same day, one with 121 experience, an ATP, and a type in the same plane the company flies; the other is a Commercial/CFI with no 121 experience, yet he will end up being senior to the first guy simply because he was LESS qualified? It's wrong.
The seniority hit cost me when it came time to bid for sim, bid for domicile, and eventually vacation, upgrade, etc. It's just wrong.
10-01-2016, 11:03 PM
#3573
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 81
Is there any insider info on whether SkyWest is going to start offering any signing bonuses, or maybe an education reimbursement program at schools other than ATP?
I ask because I am currently attending a school where Envoy just began offering a pathway program where they pay you a set monthly amount as a CFI in order to help pay off loans, on top of providing health and travel benefits. However I would really like to shoot for SW due to the base locations being closer to where I live (SLC, with hopes of even being based here) and it seems the QOL is better there than at Envoy. Anyone hear anything?
I ask because I am currently attending a school where Envoy just began offering a pathway program where they pay you a set monthly amount as a CFI in order to help pay off loans, on top of providing health and travel benefits. However I would really like to shoot for SW due to the base locations being closer to where I live (SLC, with hopes of even being based here) and it seems the QOL is better there than at Envoy. Anyone hear anything?
10-01-2016, 11:36 PM
#3574
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 166
I doubt it. Classes are full as it is.
.. Honestly, as a line pilot, I hope they don't. I'd much rather see another (equal) rate increase before giving away money to CFI's. This won't happen, but wishful thinking.
.. Honestly, as a line pilot, I hope they don't. I'd much rather see another (equal) rate increase before giving away money to CFI's. This won't happen, but wishful thinking.
10-02-2016, 03:02 AM
#3575
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 443
I know what the rationale is, I just don't agree with it. I agree with giving seniority to prior SKYW employees who actually worked here in some other capacity, but not for people who were hired off the street to be pilots but lacked a key qualification. If anything, they should be at the bottom of in-class seniority for having cost the company all that extra money.
Two dudes interview same day, one with 121 experience, an ATP, and a type in the same plane the company flies; the other is a Commercial/CFI with no 121 experience, yet he will end up being senior to the first guy simply because he was LESS qualified? It's wrong.
The seniority hit cost me when it came time to bid for sim, bid for domicile, and eventually vacation, upgrade, etc. It's just wrong.
Two dudes interview same day, one with 121 experience, an ATP, and a type in the same plane the company flies; the other is a Commercial/CFI with no 121 experience, yet he will end up being senior to the first guy simply because he was LESS qualified? It's wrong.
The seniority hit cost me when it came time to bid for sim, bid for domicile, and eventually vacation, upgrade, etc. It's just wrong.
I don't think the guys that need the CTP course are senior for that reason are they? Wouldn't they be given a seniority number when they show up for CTP? If the new hire with 121 experience would start class before the other one started CTP wouldn't the one with 121 time then be senior?
To me that makes sense. Whoever starts class first is more senior. Be it CTP or RJ class they are beginning their Skywest employed training.
I don't know any more fair way to do it. Interview date doesn't work because you could be offered the job but defer your class date for several months.
Ranking seniority based on prior experience could get pretty hairy. What about the guys coming out of the woodwork with years of prior 121 time but no ATP? Or someone with 121 time and an ATP but no type? Or 135 time with ATP and type but no 121 time?
Way too many combinations and no right answer for who is "more qualified".
So again not sure if this is how they are doing it or not but most fair way is when you start training at Skywest you get a Skywest seniority number.
10-02-2016, 03:57 AM
#3576
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 39
I know what the rationale is, I just don't agree with it. I agree with giving seniority to prior SKYW employees who actually worked here in some other capacity, but not for people who were hired off the street to be pilots but lacked a key qualification. If anything, they should be at the bottom of in-class seniority for having cost the company all that extra money.
Two dudes interview same day, one with 121 experience, an ATP, and a type in the same plane the company flies; the other is a Commercial/CFI with no 121 experience, yet he will end up being senior to the first guy simply because he was LESS qualified? It's wrong.
The seniority hit cost me when it came time to bid for sim, bid for domicile, and eventually vacation, upgrade, etc. It's just wrong.
Two dudes interview same day, one with 121 experience, an ATP, and a type in the same plane the company flies; the other is a Commercial/CFI with no 121 experience, yet he will end up being senior to the first guy simply because he was LESS qualified? It's wrong.
The seniority hit cost me when it came time to bid for sim, bid for domicile, and eventually vacation, upgrade, etc. It's just wrong.
1. Cadets based on date of being a cadet.
2. Last 4 of SSN.
CTP date has nothing to do with it. We have a combination of CTP class dates in our group, and several who didn't attend CTP. Makes no difference, the cadets are 1st, then the rest of us with SSN. I hope this helps.
10-02-2016, 06:27 AM
#3577
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
Is there any insider info on whether SkyWest is going to start offering any signing bonuses, or maybe an education reimbursement program at schools other than ATP?
I ask because I am currently attending a school where Envoy just began offering a pathway program where they pay you a set monthly amount as a CFI in order to help pay off loans, on top of providing health and travel benefits. However I would really like to shoot for SW due to the base locations being closer to where I live (SLC, with hopes of even being based here) and it seems the QOL is better there than at Envoy. Anyone hear anything?
I ask because I am currently attending a school where Envoy just began offering a pathway program where they pay you a set monthly amount as a CFI in order to help pay off loans, on top of providing health and travel benefits. However I would really like to shoot for SW due to the base locations being closer to where I live (SLC, with hopes of even being based here) and it seems the QOL is better there than at Envoy. Anyone hear anything?
10-02-2016, 06:34 AM
#3578
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
Most junior captain award CRJ ORD 7/28/2014 hire.ERJ 7/2/2012
10-02-2016, 10:47 AM
#3579
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 97
Do they award the bonus for SIC type ratings?
10-02-2016, 10:58 AM
#3580
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: ERJ CA
Posts: 1,082
In class now. Seniority in the class is:
1. Cadets based on date of being a cadet.
2. Last 4 of SSN.
CTP date has nothing to do with it. We have a combination of CTP class dates in our group, and several who didn't attend CTP. Makes no difference, the cadets are 1st, then the rest of us with SSN. I hope this helps.
1. Cadets based on date of being a cadet.
2. Last 4 of SSN.
CTP date has nothing to do with it. We have a combination of CTP class dates in our group, and several who didn't attend CTP. Makes no difference, the cadets are 1st, then the rest of us with SSN. I hope this helps.
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