velosnow

Facts? See below.

"Today, 4.1 percent of airline transport pilots (ATPs) are women, 2.7 percent are black or African-American, 2.5 percent are Asian and 5 percent are Hispanic or Latino."

Source... Airlines' flight decks lack diversity | TheHill

Do you really think that these folks are really getting hired in front of 85% of everyone else? There are also many young white male FOs with ZERO PIC who get hired because of connections. Life isn't fair, but don't blame everyone else because you can't get hired is my point.

That anger shows through and won't help you one bit.

elmetal

Find me this data and I'll find the answer to support whoever is correct.

percentage of female pilots at majors (percentage of major pilots that are female)

And percentage of female pilots at regionals. (Again, percentage regional pilots who are females)

If these numbers tip one way or the other, there's your answer. I am not saying either one of you is right, I'm just saying use facts and not anecdotal evidence to make claims

rickair7777

I assume I can get hired when I find the time to jump through all the hoops, so no anger on my part yet. But I sure see it in a lot of my peers.

Connections are a part of life and the human condition, somebody worked hard and succeeded and now are in a position to help people they know. Complaining about that is pssing in the wind.

Government-mandated affirmative action on the other hand can be summed up in two letters.

rickair7777

There are more at the regionals because major airline demographics take decades to catch up to changes due to near-zero turnover prior to age 65.

There are a lot more women pursuing aviation now than 30 (or even 20) years ago.

Terantious

You`re not picking on me, I have already moved on to a legacy. Just think it is a crock of **** that big titties trumps experience. And i have no problem telling any of them to their face. Of course I would spin the "tittles" part in a more intelligent format. Hooters maybe

elmetal

Ok then, I revise my question. Take the demographic of mainline pilots with under 2 years seniority. If that demographic doesn't match regionals, then we can start finding problems. But even then we have to adjust for military and prior experience.


It's easy to point and say yeah she's a woman of course she got hired. But I know plenty who can't even get a call.

Caution Terrain

Man I love chicks.

I'm happy for everyone getting the call.

GiggidyGone

THIS right here!


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velosnow

I've moved on as well, but I wasn't trying to single you out. My point is for the general audience (I'm a white dude btw). Let me try again...

Let's say a regional captain and his FO are down at the bar one night having dinner and the FO recognizes a friend who works at a legacy. A certain legacy whom the captain has wanted to work for all his life. The legacy guy comes over to join for a drink, the conversation ebbs & flows and overall goes well. As the evening progresses it turns out the legacy pilot happens to be on the hiring team. Bonus!

After awhile the discussion turns to hiring practices and the regional captain decides to get foaming at the mouth angry about a fraction of a fraction of pilots he believes is taking his job. "I'm owed this job, these kids and titties don't know a wing from an engine." Right.

Now...do we believe the well-connected legacy pilot will remember the fact that our regional captain was a check airman with 8,000 hours TPIC? Or will he remember that this dude decided to vent about the perceived reasons he isn't getting hired and showed an ugly side? It could go either way of course, but a bad attitude will leave a bad taste in a hurry.

Attitude. It's all about attitude is my point.

I'm no fan of affirmative action either. I also have buddies waiting for the call who are well qualified. But I've also heard guys first hand complain about this issue but refuse to do something about it. I don't know the formula nor the magic to getting a call but I do know this business is small and attitude goes a very, very long way.

disillusioned

Or maybe, just maybe, they are a really good pilot who has worked hard, tried to make the best decisions for their career and family, networked with legacy and those lowly (sarcasm) regional Captains, went to job fairs that everyone says is a waste of time, paid all the money that everyone says is a waste to get their app reviewed and interview coaching, worked towards being the best pilot they can be and learn from pilots they have flown with, and worked just as hard as those with more hours (maybe harder??)

Oh and they happen to have big "titties".... Yeah it's probably just the titties.