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Old 09-16-2016, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kent
Are they giving all the Houston flying to Expressjet?
No. United owns the flying and they are giving to mostly Mesa, and some to Republic.
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Old 09-16-2016, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by denverpilot7
yea it sucks, was just about to hold a line next month so I was excited to fly a bunch.. ugh
Aspen is really good flying in my opinion. Just give it a try and if you don't like it then you should transfer out.
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Old 09-16-2016, 01:00 PM
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I tend to agree with the above. I love aspen personally. But the monetary difference between 95 hours in pbs with 14+ days off vs 12 off reserve at 75 is just not worth it for jr guys
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Old 09-16-2016, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tippy
Heard a rumor SAPA is working on another pay increase they want to roll out by the first of the year. Anyone else hear the same or similar rumor?
Haven't heard that and I don't foresee it happening just yet since we're easily keeping up with attrition. Looking towards the future just assume each carrier will one up each other by $.50 to a buck per hour or some kind of bonus around $5k-$20k and that'll most likely depend on if you have an ATP or type already. These wage increases are geared to a newhire and not the pilot group since that's way cheaper and not really necessary. Remember this... It's not personal it's just business. I've used that line and it's kept me pretty upbeat while going through the years.
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Old 09-16-2016, 03:06 PM
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I think the philosophy is it doesn't matter how much you pay someone if they have plans to move on they will move on regardless because no regional can ever pay as much as mainline
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Old 09-16-2016, 03:27 PM
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Unless something new has happened, a few months ago SAPA announced their desire to ask company to come back to the table early. I didn't hear an update past that.
Truth be told they will have to start negotiating relatively soon anyway for the natural end of our short term agreement.
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Old 09-16-2016, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
Unless something new has happened, a few months ago SAPA announced their desire to ask company to come back to the table early. I didn't hear an update past that.
Truth be told they will have to start negotiating relatively soon anyway for the natural end of our short term agreement.
Even before that, someone at SAPA sent out a communication (may have been R.J.) that it was actually the company who approached SAPA to open up pay talks early. They quickly did a 180, and changed their story to say that SAPA were the ones approaching the company completely unsolicited, and not to get your hopes up.
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Old 09-16-2016, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SMACFUM
Even before that, someone at SAPA sent out a communication (may have been R.J.) that it was actually the company who approached SAPA to open up pay talks early. They quickly did a 180, and changed their story to say that SAPA were the ones approaching the company completely unsolicited, and not to get your hopes up.
Yeah, I remember that. Why would they backpedal like that? I could certainly see it being in the company's favor to raise new hire pay right now.
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Old 09-16-2016, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by zondaracer
No. United owns the flying and they are giving to mostly Mesa, and some to Republic.
Ya I bet mesa could really handle another 4000 block hours in iah.
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Originally Posted by mobius27
Yeah, I remember that. Why would they backpedal like that? I could certainly see it being in the company's favor to raise new hire pay right now.
Optics, to make it seem like the pilot's don't have any negotiating leverage.

There are a bunch of good and hard working guys in SAPA, they're smart, mean well, and try to have the pilots back's as much as they can. But never forget, SAPA is primarily a tool for the company, not the pilots. It was implemented, and funded by the company, not the pilots. They do a lot of good work, and are standup guys, but SAPA's main purpose is being the company's mouthpiece.
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