RemoveB4Flight

If you believe it to be that simple then that is why you aren't getting the trips you want. There are many bidding properties that do not work well together. I highly doubt those top 30 guys are all only bidding for weekends off.
I'm not saying if you want weekends off you can only bid for weekends off but many unknowingly add bid properties that don't make sense together and cause their bid to fail = pilot error

elmetal

Never said im not getting what I want. And yes it isn't that simple. But if guys below you get what you specifically bid for, and you were legal for it, that's seniority violation end of story. Period. Stop being a company apologist.

No other pilot group would accept this. Why do we?

RemoveB4Flight

Not sure which part of that made me come across as a company apologist..
Was it the part where I said a lot of people mess their bids up all on their own without the companies help? Because that is true.
Like I said I'm all for bid transparency. Problem is that all people are going to see is that someone below them in seniority got the trip they wanted and they still won't understand why it happened.

Turbosina

You can already see that. Just look at the flow board. If I bid for a certain trip and didn't get it, I can always wait till the day prior to the trip and check the flow board to see who got it.

In that respect, our bids are already 'transparent.' It's just a giant PITA to actually see who got the trip. The company blathers on about 'privacy'...well, if the vast majority of the pilot group wants their bids published, as I am entirely sure is the case, then privacy is not a concern...and there isn't any privacy anyways because of the flow board.

The company just doesn't want people seeing how often seniority is being ignored. PBS is only as good as the parameters the company sets for it, and globalization (read: ignoring seniority) is the only way PBS is able to cover so much flying with 10% fewer pilots than other airlines. It's just simple math.

And I say this as someone who knows, reasonably well, how to bid (I finally read the entire PBS manual cover to cover multiple times, and experimented with different strategies....after 2 years I can finally get all P1/P2 trips, even with the September dropoff in flying.

But again, when the company insists that XX pilots cover XXXXX hours of flying, the only way to do that is via globalization. And the company would prefer that we not see exactly how pernicious this problem is, nor what it does to senior folks who aren't awarded the trips they should be able to hold.

elmetal

And they will look for an answer. That's the important part.

Information is power. We need to all be informed. Stop the bs by the company about "stalking"

No one said give our awards to flight attendants. In fact we shouldn't. Pilots see pilots and that's it

RemoveB4Flight

The flow board will allow you to see who is flying that trip when that day comes. Not who was awarded the trip.

Turbosina

OK, fine, but it's still a decent approximation...

Utah

Has management already agreed to this if the vote passes or is SAPA just hoping they will?

elmetal

Probably another "agreement" that TG will just say "oh yeah we don't recognize that anymore."

N1234

a good read on our PBS solution... specifically the "greedy" option vs. "global opt"

What is Preferential Bidding System ?