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Old 07-01-2016, 01:27 PM
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Or......start a 9-9 RAP to be released at 1415 in to rest and have a 0015 trip assigned, that has you fly until 0400. With 10 hours rest, and back again.
Legal, but not safe......I will be dosing up on 5 hour Energy "fo sho" tonight and tomorrow.

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Old 07-01-2016, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Is offline
They do put them on the list before class start. They also assign them all the CBT's before class. I know of one personally that was on the list a month before he started class.
Well I don't know what to tell ya. Generally you will see them pop up a week or 2 after class starts. I wasn't added to the list until about halfway through week 2. Typically they show up at the bottom of the list, and are integrated into the proper order several days later.
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Old 07-01-2016, 01:46 PM
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I see oversold by 2, a PS and a nonrev (not skywest, can't tell if pilot or not)
thanks for checking, running to the gate now. if not, two other flights available
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Old 07-01-2016, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbone22
Or......start a 9-9 RAP to be released at 1415 in to rest and have a 0015 trip assigned, that has you fly until 0400. With 10 hours rest, and back again.
Legal, but not safe......I will be dosing up on 5 hour Energy "fo sho" tonight and tomorrow.

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You know you can refuse that right?


Read the reserve guide.

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Old 07-01-2016, 02:30 PM
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You know you can refuse that right?


Read the reserve guide.

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Mhmm and this is exactly why they try to pull this off, since they know half the time no one understands the protections in place...
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:33 PM
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Cadets show up under HDQ and not part of pilot seniority, confirmed by looking up a cadet I know and looking up pilot seniority in HDQ. We are over 4000 legitimately and growing.
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
You know you can refuse that right?


Read the reserve guide.

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How? I accepted the trip.....should I have not?
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbone22
How? I accepted the trip.....should I have not?
Absolutely not...

But now you did it's cool.

Feel free to pm me anytime you need.

It's an MOU the company unilaterally rescinded 3 years ago but sapa obviously still recognizes it and CS knows exactly what they're doing because as soon as you say no, they know you know what's going on.
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Some schedulers in SS will first ask if you're willing to be released from duty for your 10 hours in order to cover a standup/redeye, but they seem few and far between. Most of the time however, they'll just tell you they're releasing you from duty without implying that the choice is actually yours on whether you choose to accept it or not. To someone on reserve who doesn't know better, it sounds like it's mandatory and you of course accept, which is what they want.
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Old 07-01-2016, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
No no. We don't have "sit at the airport for 12 hours 18 days a month" crap

What I mean is, company makes a pairing. Den-slc and back

About 2.5 to 3 hours block. Great! If you bid for that as a lineholders, you get mdg aka 4:12

If you get assigned it as a reserve, no 4:12.


Even if it's the exact pairing. They'll make something up.

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Got it, thanks for clearing that up.

Originally Posted by disillusioned
You will get paid 75.36 hours minimum for being on reserve. If you fly a 6 hour trip, that will be part of the 75.36 hours. If you fly a round trip for say 2 hours, then sit ready reserve for 4 hours (paid 2 for 1) and you will have 4 hours go towards the 75.36 hours. If you fly more than 75.36 hours, they will go back and pay you 4.12 for every day you were on reserve but not used. Or on days where you only flew 2 or 3 hours, you will get paid the difference up to 4.12. So basically every reserve day will be paid at 4.12 But here's the catch, when reserves had 19 days, most of the time they would squeak in and get it by a couple minutes. When the company dropped it to 18 days, that makes it that much harder to get over the 75.36. Reserve guys tried to point this out last pay package, but were ignored by people who either haven't sat reserve or haven't flown the line in 8 years.

Where you get hosed on reserve (and line holders for that matter) is that you will fly a round trip then have a 3 or 4 hour sit. These pay you nothing. So you will get sent to another base to sit reserve (because they sent a reserve out from that base to your domicile earlier in the morning) and have you do a RT, then schedule your deadhead for 3 hours later. Between driving to the airport from your house, deadhead, flying and waiting for your deadhead back, you will be sitting around a 14 hour duty day. If you feel too tired to drive home, don't worry. It is legal. Not safe or ethical by any means, but legal.
Gotcha. Thanks.
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