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07-01-2016, 11:40 AM
#2041
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,614
So interesting follow-up to the discussion a couple days ago about the cadet program. My opinion is the reason our seniority list is over 4,000 is because they are loading it up with all these cadets. There were two pilots that dropped off the list this week with the TRG base. I went back a looked and both of these pilots were added to the seniority list the first week of April.
So unless we are letting people take 3 months to get through class and 100 hours of IOE, I think they are just putting all these cadets in once they commit. It usually takes about a month from the time someone starts a class to when they are assigned a base. Or they are flying paint repos with our retired pilots (that one kinda dropped off the radar??) Anyone heard from SAPA on what agreement we came to with SGU on that item?
We still are growing but there is something going on with the seniority list for sure. I would guess there is close to 100 of these on our list that do not have their hours to start class.
Also seeing a lot of MSP and ORD based pilots showing up on the reserve lists for other bases. I know we had a SAPA rep that pushed through something that allowed pilots to sit reserve out of base (since it benefited him) but is that just allowed now? That would have been some nice leverage to use and see if we could get some type of input on minimum reserve levels. Got to love how even on the days where they are just below minimum that you get the automatic denial.
I kinda feel bad that all the new guys won't have the pleasure of having SkedPlus crash at 8:00 on the 24th back when we used to be able to drop and trade trips. Turns out they didn't need a new server, they just needed to beat us down enough to where we don't even try anymore.
So unless we are letting people take 3 months to get through class and 100 hours of IOE, I think they are just putting all these cadets in once they commit. It usually takes about a month from the time someone starts a class to when they are assigned a base. Or they are flying paint repos with our retired pilots (that one kinda dropped off the radar??) Anyone heard from SAPA on what agreement we came to with SGU on that item?
We still are growing but there is something going on with the seniority list for sure. I would guess there is close to 100 of these on our list that do not have their hours to start class.
Also seeing a lot of MSP and ORD based pilots showing up on the reserve lists for other bases. I know we had a SAPA rep that pushed through something that allowed pilots to sit reserve out of base (since it benefited him) but is that just allowed now? That would have been some nice leverage to use and see if we could get some type of input on minimum reserve levels. Got to love how even on the days where they are just below minimum that you get the automatic denial.
I kinda feel bad that all the new guys won't have the pleasure of having SkedPlus crash at 8:00 on the 24th back when we used to be able to drop and trade trips. Turns out they didn't need a new server, they just needed to beat us down enough to where we don't even try anymore.
07-01-2016, 11:53 AM
#2042
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 40
So interesting follow-up to the discussion a couple days ago about the cadet program. My opinion is the reason our seniority list is over 4,000 is because they are loading it up with all these cadets. There were two pilots that dropped off the list this week with the TRG base. I went back a looked and both of these pilots were added to the seniority list the first week of April.
So unless we are letting people take 3 months to get through class and 100 hours of IOE, I think they are just putting all these cadets in once they commit. It usually takes about a month from the time someone starts a class to when they are assigned a base. Or they are flying paint repos with our retired pilots (that one kinda dropped off the radar??) Anyone heard from SAPA on what agreement we came to with SGU on that item?
We still are growing but there is something going on with the seniority list for sure. I would guess there is close to 100 of these on our list that do not have their hours to start class.
Also seeing a lot of MSP and ORD based pilots showing up on the reserve lists for other bases. I know we had a SAPA rep that pushed through something that allowed pilots to sit reserve out of base (since it benefited him) but is that just allowed now? That would have been some nice leverage to use and see if we could get some type of input on minimum reserve levels. Got to love how even on the days where they are just below minimum that you get the automatic denial.
I kinda feel bad that all the new guys won't have the pleasure of having SkedPlus crash at 8:00 on the 24th back when we used to be able to drop and trade trips. Turns out they didn't need a new server, they just needed to beat us down enough to where we don't even try anymore.
So unless we are letting people take 3 months to get through class and 100 hours of IOE, I think they are just putting all these cadets in once they commit. It usually takes about a month from the time someone starts a class to when they are assigned a base. Or they are flying paint repos with our retired pilots (that one kinda dropped off the radar??) Anyone heard from SAPA on what agreement we came to with SGU on that item?
We still are growing but there is something going on with the seniority list for sure. I would guess there is close to 100 of these on our list that do not have their hours to start class.
Also seeing a lot of MSP and ORD based pilots showing up on the reserve lists for other bases. I know we had a SAPA rep that pushed through something that allowed pilots to sit reserve out of base (since it benefited him) but is that just allowed now? That would have been some nice leverage to use and see if we could get some type of input on minimum reserve levels. Got to love how even on the days where they are just below minimum that you get the automatic denial.
I kinda feel bad that all the new guys won't have the pleasure of having SkedPlus crash at 8:00 on the 24th back when we used to be able to drop and trade trips. Turns out they didn't need a new server, they just needed to beat us down enough to where we don't even try anymore.
07-01-2016, 12:02 PM
#2043
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 40
The skypest pilot group is becoming quite the hornets nest. Maybe just maybe the majority is done with the SGU dry lube and will start standing up for ourselves! MAYBE
07-01-2016, 12:19 PM
#2044
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 608
does that mean if I spend more than 18.75 days on reserve sitting at the airport 12 hours a days then I'm working for free after that basically (18.75 days time 4 hours MDG = 75 hours)
07-01-2016, 12:24 PM
#2045
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 613
I thought I was the founding member??
Seriously though, it has gotten beyond ridiculous. When you have a pilot take an LOA to get some time off, then get blasted about how he may have chose the wrong career? Because he doesn't want to be gone 18 days of the month since he was forced to have 95 hours on his bid? The only reason I have not done the same thing is because I don't want to be on FMLA or LOA when/if I get a call for an interview. I have even started the process of looking at Jet Blue or Virgin instead of just the legacies. I said it awhile ago and it seems to be coming true. They will just keep taking away QOL until the senior people realize it is not enough to stick around. I'm happy for all the movement for everyone because that means less time on reserve (since it is obvious the reserve rewrite is never going to happen) Anyone want to start a betting pool on when PBS bids will be viewable? I'm going to start by saying March 1st of 2000'never.
07-01-2016, 12:26 PM
#2046
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,464
What I mean is, company makes a pairing. Den-slc and back
About 2.5 to 3 hours block. Great! If you bid for that as a lineholders, you get mdg aka 4:12
If you get assigned it as a reserve, no 4:12.
Even if it's the exact pairing. They'll make something up.
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07-01-2016, 12:34 PM
#2047
Dumb Pilot
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Broke
Posts: 784
They do put them on the list before class start. They also assign them all the CBT's before class. I know of one personally that was on the list a month before he started class.
07-01-2016, 12:42 PM
#2048
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 613
Where you get hosed on reserve (and line holders for that matter) is that you will fly a round trip then have a 3 or 4 hour sit. These pay you nothing. So you will get sent to another base to sit reserve (because they sent a reserve out from that base to your domicile earlier in the morning) and have you do a RT, then schedule your deadhead for 3 hours later. Between driving to the airport from your house, deadhead, flying and waiting for your deadhead back, you will be sitting around a 14 hour duty day. If you feel too tired to drive home, don't worry. It is legal. Not safe or ethical by any means, but legal.
07-01-2016, 01:23 PM
#2049
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Position: newYORK
Posts: 114
load check
...trying to catch a ride on flight 5106 sfo-ont 1jul16 at 1546. anyone kind enough to check if any united or Skywest employee listed for the JS? thanks!
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