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Old 05-16-2018, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
This is stating that the company has not acted unilaterally against a pilot vote and if they do their 100% funding of SAPA would be be inviolation of the RLA.
We need a sticky.
I agree fully with the sentiment, but it’s pretty difficult to legally consider actions unilateral when SAPA willingly signs stuff the pilots don’t want. (And then refuses a conversation after the fact)

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Old 05-16-2018, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Cazadores, can you address how SkyWest Inc. has treated ASA/XJT? Is it not the same as how Lorenzo treated Eastern? How can you defend what SkyWest has done to two of the premier regionals?

It isn't a "threat"....The actions of SkyWest Inc. and the inactions of the SkyWest pilot group are being noticed by the entire industry....
So much so that only 90 SkyWest pilots a month are being hired at other airlines.

Listen, I've got no problem with ALPA, voted for them in the past, and would vote for them again, but it's BS like this turns people off.
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Old 05-16-2018, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
SkyWest pilots, it's time to join the rest of your profession....We have the leverage and you need to join your colleagues...If you aren't part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

For those of you considering going to SkyWest, think about it for awhile. SkyWest has a reputation forming....There are plenty of options now and their QOL and pay isn't keeping up anymore.

Pilots have long memories, and what SkyWest has done is being noticed. In this environment, is it worth it?
Nobody gives a rip about regional intramural squabbles. It would be better if the major unions did, but they don't, never have, and never will (but ALPA will cheerfully accept your dues, thank you).

Don't waste your time debating it or losing sleep over it, go update your apps instead.
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Old 05-16-2018, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Utah
Listen, I've got no problem with ALPA, voted for them in the past, and would vote for them again, but it's BS like this turns people off.
x2. I also voted yes ten years ago, but I can see why others didn't.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Cazadores, can you address how SkyWest Inc. has treated ASA/XJT? Is it not the same as how Lorenzo treated Eastern? How can you defend what SkyWest has done to two of the premier regionals?

It isn't a "threat"....The actions of SkyWest Inc. and the inactions of the SkyWest pilot group are being noticed by the entire industry....
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:37 PM
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To be honest, when I see OO guys, a part of my brain does have a negative reaction. It’s not necessarily kind or rational, but knowing that your pilots are getting the benefits being won by the other unionized pilot groups does kinda chap me a bit. Again, I would never treat a OO pilot poorly/different because of it, but I do think you guys are riding coattails for free. It’s time.

Also the fact that I hate the “Mormon mafia” may also have something to do with it too.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chunk
To be honest, when I see OO guys, a part of my brain does have a negative reaction. It’s not necessarily kind or rational, but knowing that your pilots are getting the benefits being won by the other unionized pilot groups does kinda chap me a bit. Again, I would never treat a OO pilot poorly/different because of it, but I do think you guys are riding coattails for free. It’s time.

Also the fact that I hate the “Mormon mafia” may also have something to do with it too.
To be honest, when I walk through an airport and see other pilots I don’t care who they work for, how they dress (hat, no hat, short sleeve, long sleeve), etc.

I just give a wave or a nod and go about my day. What an odd concept...
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:45 PM
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Perhaps I should have made a new thread for this question but here goes...

How's the attrition/hiring sustainability going over there? Are you guys still hiring Aussies en masse? Do you guys think this will trigger the company to respond with higher pay or perhaps axe some bean counters due to "lack of creativity" with the hiring issue?
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Old 05-18-2018, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by boschpilot
Perhaps I should have made a new thread for this question but here goes...

How's the attrition/hiring sustainability going over there? Are you guys still hiring Aussies en masse? Do you guys think this will trigger the company to respond with higher pay or perhaps axe some bean counters due to "lack of creativity" with the hiring issue?
Attrition numbers are higher then normal because we have a big pilot group. Average 80 people leaving a month. For a 4500 count pilot group is about what they forecasted when we had 1500 pilots. 20~% attrition . Thats the plan going forward. Training plans to go on indefinitely. You can’t stop like a smaller 600 count pilot group for a few months. Won’t work. And they know it.
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Old 05-18-2018, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by boschpilot
Perhaps I should have made a new thread for this question but here goes...

How's the attrition/hiring sustainability going over there? Are you guys still hiring Aussies en masse? Do you guys think this will trigger the company to respond with higher pay or perhaps axe some bean counters due to "lack of creativity" with the hiring issue?
We've lost more pilots than we've gained the previous two months.
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