JoeMerchant

SkyWest pilots, it's time to join the rest of your profession....We have the leverage and you need to join your colleagues...If you aren't part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

For those of you considering going to SkyWest, think about it for awhile. SkyWest has a reputation forming....There are plenty of options now and their QOL and pay isn't keeping up anymore.

Pilots have long memories, and what SkyWest has done is being noticed. In this environment, is it worth it?

Cazadores

Don't be an idiot. There is no risk to the professional reputation of a pilot from SkyWest.

Being part of a profession is fundamentally about protecting and advancing its value and worth, being part of something bigger than yourself. Levying empty threats hurts our cause, is unbecoming to an association of professionals in existence long before the regional partner model was even an idea, an association I support vehemently, and serves no one.

Explain the advantage of being part of something bigger than yourself, the value of your association. Threats don't cut it. Don't be an idiot.




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JoeMerchant

Cazadores, can you address how SkyWest Inc. has treated ASA/XJT? Is it not the same as how Lorenzo treated Eastern? How can you defend what SkyWest has done to two of the premier regionals?

It isn't a "threat"....The actions of SkyWest Inc. and the inactions of the SkyWest pilot group are being noticed by the entire industry....

Sculprit

Accurate @ Rocksteady

SAFA. (Also a joke)

Same, don't want to come in here as being hostile but just wanted to correct you. After working in multiple departments at OO inlcuding below wing when LAX closed. I was able to transfer to another station and bump people at that station with my company seniority and pay.

Excargodog

The Wal-mart case foundered in an issue that would not be present here, the commonality provision:

7.2 Rule 23 Class Certification Requirements | Federal Practice Manual for Legal Aid Attorneys

Since wages, working conditions, and promised benefits ARE common for the FOs and Captains, this coukd indeed meet criteria for class action suits.

BrewCity

I do not profess to no know much about the RLA, but what I know is that when JetBlue was nonunion they made it a point to specify that they negotiated labor agreements with each individual pilot. I also know that ALPA tried (and failed) to classify SAPA as an illegal company union.

If SAPA is classified as a "Labor Organization" under the RLA, I would assume it means they have the standing and authority to negotiate pay and work rules for the entire group. Why then, does SAPA not have the authority under the RLA to enter the arbitration/grievance process?

Westernflight

Repost from DirkDigger in another thread in case some haven’t seen it:

The following is case law from 2007 from the Skywest Pilots ALPA Organizing Committee v Skywest Airlines.

MEMORANDUM AND ORDER GRANTING IN PART AND DENYING IN PART MOTION FOR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION by CHARLES BREYER, District Judge. This is some of the deleted information removed from the other thread by the controversial moderator.

"B. SkyWest Funding of SAPA
Plaintiffs also contend that SkyWest's 100 percent funding of SAPA violates the RLA's prohibition on using "the funds of the carrier in maintaining or assisting or contributing to any labor organization, labor representative, or other agency of collective bargaining. . . ." 45 U.S.C. § 152, Fourth. In Barthelemy, the Ninth Circuit explained the prohibition:

Obviously, the line between cooperation and support is not an obvious one. Permissible cooperation becomes prohibited support once the union's independence is compromised. This is a subjective inquiry: the question is whether the assistance provided the union is in fact depriving employees their freedom of choice. It is not the potential for but the reality of domination that these statutes are intended to prevent.

Barthelemy, 897 F.2d at 1016. The Ninth Circuit identified four factors relevant to deciding whether company financial support has stifled employee free choice: (1) whether the employer assistance occurred in response to an outside effort to organize, (2) evidence of the union becoming beholden to the employer, (3) employee approval of agreements between the union and employer, and (4) whether the employer assistance is sustained or simply a one-time payment. 897 F.2d at 1017.

Plaintiffs have not subjectively demonstrated that SkyWest's 100 percent funding of SAPA has deprived the pilots of their freedom of choice. First, SAPA was not created in response to any outside effort to organize. Even if the Court does accept the hearsay evidence that SAPA was altered in direct response to a previous ALPA campaign, a modification of a group's practices in response to employees' desires after a failed campaign does not raise the same concerns as creating an entirely new organization to quell support for a union during a campaign. Second, Plaintiffs ask the Court to infer that SAPA must be beholden to SkyWest because of its funding without producing any evidence that SAPA actually has altered its practices or demands in response to management influence. Finally, pilots vote on and approve the agreements SAPA enters into with SkyWest, and the pilots even refused to ratify one agreement without certain modification. Moreover, the President of SAPA is an ALPA supporter and the record reflects that the relative merits of ALPA versus SAPA are actively debated at SAPA Board meetings.

On the other hand, SkyWest's unlimited funding of SAPA appears, on its face, to violate the RLA and SkyWest does not contend that there are any cases in the courts or even the NMB that have placed their blessing on such unfettered financial support.

In any event, assuming, without deciding, that SkyWest's complete and unlimited funding of SAPA violates RLA section 2, Fourth, the Court finds that the balance of hardships strongly counsels in favor of denying a preliminary injunction prohibiting such funding. SAPA has represented the pilots and been fully funded by SkyWest for over ten years without legal challenge. Though the length of SAPA's existence is not relevant to whether the funding is lawful, it does speak to the amount of "irreparable" harm Plaintiffs will suffer without a preliminary injunction. Plaintiffs' challenge could have been brought at any time during these past ten years; nothing of significance has changed. Also, given that the Organizing Committee had been campaigning for well over a year before seeking a preliminary injunction, it is unreasonable to grant the requested relief without the benefit of a full record. Moreover, SAPA serves several important administrative functions for SkyWest and its pilots, such as facilitating the FAA amnesty program and addressing employee complaints about pay errors and other issues. By prohibiting all SkyWest funding of SAPA, a preliminary injunction would threaten the completion of these activities which would harm both the airline and its pilots.

CONCLUSION
For the reasons explained above, Plaintiffs' motion for a preliminary injunction is GRANTED in part and DENIED in part. SkyWest, its officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and all persons acting by, through, under, or in concert with Defendant, pending a final ruling by the Court on the merits:
1) Are enjoined from prohibiting SkyWest pilots from wearing the dark blue ALPA lanyard with white lettering, and
2) Are enjoined from interfering with SkyWest pilots' oral communications with fellow SkyWest pilots regarding ALPA and the ALPA organizing campaign in non-work areas and on non-work time, and from interfering with SkyWest pilots' communication with fellow SkyWest pilots regarding ALPA and the ALPA organizing campaign through distribution of ALPA-related materials in non-work areas such as bulletin boards and crew lounges.
All other claims for preliminary injunction are denied. The parties are directed to appear for a case management conference on Friday, August 3 at 8:30 a.m. and shall meet and confer on the need, if any, for a bond and the amount of such bond. The hearing on Defendant's motion to dismiss is VACATED pending the Case Management Conference.
IT IS SO ORDERED."

Cliff notes: SAPA too big to fail. Those guys in St. George are no dummies.

rickair7777

They do have a process of sorts, mirrored on the typical union process. But the company gets the ultimate say, so you can imagine how effective it is.

amcnd

All talk about SkyWest and how they are not ALPA... you know there are other airlines out there that dont belong to ALPA.. they even have get togethers..

https://www.swapa.org/conference/

WesternSkies

This is stating that the company has not acted unilaterally against a pilot vote and if they do their 100% funding of SAPA would be be inviolation of the RLA.
We need a sticky.