Skywest v2.0
05-15-2018, 01:14 PM
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Yup. RLA rules apply, common-law applies, and do not require a union. I love all you quasi-lawyers and quasi labor-law experts who somehow were led to believe (and fell for it) that you're not an adult and cannot do anything for yourself without a union.
There are plenty of problems at SKW, but the nature of the contract is not one of them. Enforcement is problematic and would require a lawsuit (which SAPA itself probably can't file). That means the company doesn't commit massive wholesale violations because that would probably get enough folks motivated enough to file suit, but they can do small-scale violations which would not be worth a lawsuit (at a union shop these would be grievances).
There are plenty of problems at SKW, but the nature of the contract is not one of them. Enforcement is problematic and would require a lawsuit (which SAPA itself probably can't file). That means the company doesn't commit massive wholesale violations because that would probably get enough folks motivated enough to file suit, but they can do small-scale violations which would not be worth a lawsuit (at a union shop these would be grievances).
05-15-2018, 02:29 PM
Part of the problem
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: CRJ200 CA
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Of course Skywest pay is going to go up to within striking distance of the new industry standard. Juuuuuust enough to keep ya'll happy and
juuuuuuuuust in time to keep a union off property.
It just cracks me up when some Skywest newb spouts off about a TA or Contract or why the "association" doesn't do this or that. Come on people!!!?? For years you folks have been enjoying many benefits of other airlines' unions without paying for a union. Please explain that to the new guys so they stop pretending otherwise.
As for me personally-I think unions at the regional level are very much the joke some of you say they are, but they are our only option for representation and the only professional organization available to contribute to the profession.
As for my trolling on this-guilty and not proud. I mostly check out the Skywest thread because I am in a position to give advice to potential new-hires. I have advised more than one pilot to go to Skywest if I thought it best for their career. Sometimes the troll takes over. Sorry.
05-15-2018, 02:31 PM
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Forced pay cuts to the pilots (or FA's) would trigger a lawsuit, which the company would lose unless the paycuts were awarded as part of BK proceedings.
05-15-2018, 02:36 PM
Part of the problem
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I'm pretty sure they don't even have a consolidated contract. They are paid based on their location, ie SFO pays more than FSD. I'm not aware of any unified effort on their part to do any sort of national organization. Don't think they want that, their seniority is also local, ie someone from another base that closes can't come to your base and bump you or force you down. Apples to oranges.
Forced pay cuts to the pilots (or FA's) would trigger a lawsuit, which the company would lose unless the paycuts were awarded as part of BK proceedings.
Forced pay cuts to the pilots (or FA's) would trigger a lawsuit, which the company would lose unless the paycuts were awarded as part of BK proceedings.
05-15-2018, 02:46 PM
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 802
Well SAPA could, uhm....
They could stomp their feet...
Flail on the ground in a tantrum....
Write a very stern letter saying that they are disappointed but understand....
And management would do like they always have,
laugh their butts off at how they have the pilots trained like good little boys and girls!
Like always, SAPA has brought a straw and spit wads to a gun fight!
They could stomp their feet...
Flail on the ground in a tantrum....
Write a very stern letter saying that they are disappointed but understand....
And management would do like they always have,
laugh their butts off at how they have the pilots trained like good little boys and girls!
Like always, SAPA has brought a straw and spit wads to a gun fight!
05-15-2018, 02:53 PM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: 88FO
Posts: 57
The last union drive failed by 7 votes in 2007. Today over half of the seniority list has been here less than 2 years and another alpa drive is underway. With the new voting rules it will pass with flying colors if they try and push another 51% pay package through.
We are already on pace to pass last months attrition and hiring is slowing drastically. I just hope they can recover before it gets much worse.
We are already on pace to pass last months attrition and hiring is slowing drastically. I just hope they can recover before it gets much worse.
05-15-2018, 03:10 PM
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05-15-2018, 03:18 PM
Part of the problem
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Position: CRJ200 CA
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You want a union? Get a union and take the sticky stuff on your paws that comes with it.
05-15-2018, 04:27 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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The last union drive failed by 7 votes in 2007. Today over half of the seniority list has been here less than 2 years and another alpa drive is underway. With the new voting rules it will pass with flying colors if they try and push another 51% pay package through.
We are already on pace to pass last months attrition and hiring is slowing drastically. I just hope they can recover before it gets much worse.
We are already on pace to pass last months attrition and hiring is slowing drastically. I just hope they can recover before it gets much worse.
05-15-2018, 05:31 PM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 72
I'm pretty sure they don't even have a consolidated contract. They are paid based on their location, ie SFO pays more than FSD. I'm not aware of any unified effort on their part to do any sort of national organization. Don't think they want that, their seniority is also local, ie someone from another base that closes can't come to your base and bump you or force you down. Apples to oranges.
Forced pay cuts to the pilots (or FA's) would trigger a lawsuit, which the company would lose unless the paycuts were awarded as part of BK proceedings.
Forced pay cuts to the pilots (or FA's) would trigger a lawsuit, which the company would lose unless the paycuts were awarded as part of BK proceedings.
I am not trying to be hostile but I believe your misinformed. I believe if OO wanted, they could cut our pay, they could also just rewrite the policy manual anyway they want. We don’t have collective bargaining rights. It would be suicide for them to do so, because everyone would sign a union card.
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