BrewCity

Your real estate transaction was between (most likely) two individuals with the legal authority to represent themselves. The "signed" deal is between Skywest and whom? As they're not a labor union, does SAPA have the legal standing to represent all Skywest pilots with one signature?

hawk21

Imagine having no life and going on regional airline forums to troll about unions. You all live sad, miserable lives.

Flogger

Guilty!!! And thanks!!

ImPilot I Fly

Not a compliment.

rickair7777

Yup. RLA rules apply, common-law applies, and do not require a union. I love all you quasi-lawyers and quasi labor-law experts who somehow were led to believe (and fell for it) that you're not an adult and cannot do anything for yourself without a union.

There are plenty of problems at SKW, but the nature of the contract is not one of them. Enforcement is problematic and would require a lawsuit (which SAPA itself probably can't file). That means the company doesn't commit massive wholesale violations because that would probably get enough folks motivated enough to file suit, but they can do small-scale violations which would not be worth a lawsuit (at a union shop these would be grievances).

gojo

Really? I’m struggling to find an appropriate analogy for this statement. Skywest has done good without a union. The pilot group, not so much. Even pilot groups with Teamsters are doing remarkably better than the Skywest group. To say that having SAPA is comparable is ridiculous

rickair7777

Now you're just lying. Nowhere did I say that sapa is comparable, go back and read, I said they can't even file a lawsuit against the company.

What I said was that the contract is actually a contract, which some people don't seem to understand. I also said enforcement is not the same as an agency shop.

Check Complete

I look to the "contract" as a simple agreement, which the company has many times interpreted in a variety of ways. See our wonderful reserve proffering and extended delay actions going on. The company has and will continue to disregard the "contract" when they see fit. To which nothing can be done. There is a reason there is no language or vehicle to amend any supposed "contract" violations.

Having SAPA representing our needs is rather misleading. SAPA can only get what the company wants to give. The company will give what they need to the current realm of necessity, nothing more.

As far as having a union on the property, I'd vote in one this second if I could. Am I convinced it would be the answer to our needs, of course not. But management does everything they can to stop it, which tells me it is something we should have. Simple!

No one can argue the declining conditions here, staffing is a joke, and only getting worse. I'm sure as soon as flights are getting cancelled due to lack of crews, the company will implement junior manning again under the proffering procedures and then it will be tons of fun around here!

WesternSkies

It’s not really surprising people on the outside have no idea of the history of how things actually work.
It’s also not surprising that the APC members with the biggest SkyWest complex want/believe things to be the worst for OO pilots.

Is offline

The last union drive failed by 7 votes in 2007. Today over half of the seniority list has been here less than 2 years and another alpa drive is underway. With the new voting rules it will pass with flying colors if they try and push another 51% pay package through.

We are already on pace to pass last months attrition and hiring is slowing drastically. I just hope they can recover before it gets much worse.