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04-17-2018, 01:30 PM
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About how long is it to hold a line at LAX or FAT these days?
04-17-2018, 01:46 PM
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"Days Off" is not regulatory. That's contractual/company policy. Any company could require their employees to be available for contact 24/7, and many do in the non-aviation world. In fact many corporate aviation pilots are 24/7. The company can require that you stay connected (ie no hiking excursions in Nepal unless you bring an Iridium phone).
In 121 you just need 30 hours free of duty somewhere in there, and 10 hours prior to duty.
Very easy and legal for the company to require that you check your schedule ten hours prior to the earliest report time, say 0500. So they could require you check in at 1900 the night before. If no adjusted report time, then they can assign you a SC RAP start time and cut you lose for at least ten hours.
The only thing preventing that is a contract, but sounds like SAPA gave that away (accidentally or otherwise).
In 121 you just need 30 hours free of duty somewhere in there, and 10 hours prior to duty.
Very easy and legal for the company to require that you check your schedule ten hours prior to the earliest report time, say 0500. So they could require you check in at 1900 the night before. If no adjusted report time, then they can assign you a SC RAP start time and cut you lose for at least ten hours.
The only thing preventing that is a contract, but sounds like SAPA gave that away (accidentally or otherwise).
It is illegal because of the FAA defined meanings of the words involved. Specific legal definitions.
Rest is a false lead.
04-17-2018, 02:17 PM
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04-17-2018, 02:23 PM
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04-17-2018, 03:41 PM
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Flight Duty Period: Pretty tightly regulated.
Rest: Pretty tightly regulated.
Duty: Not an FDP, but also not rest. You can do as much duty as the company wants, doing anything the company wants you to do, as long as you get the the required rest before starting an FDP or RAP.
Here's a key concept, which is commonly misunderstood under 117 as well as the old rules: Once you are done flying pax during a duty period, or have no intent to fly pax, the 117 rules afford you ABSOLUTELY ZERO protections. None, zip, nada. The FAA doesn't care how the company uses and abuses you, as long as you get legal rest before your NEXT 117 FDP. You can work 16 hours with an extension, and then they can deadhead you to Tokyo. When you get to Tokyo they can make you stay at the airport and clean lavs for another 16 hours (or more if they want). Don't like it? Quit.
Your only protection is contractual work rules.
04-17-2018, 03:54 PM
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Again you are correct.
It is illegal for the previous posted reason other than rest.....or FDP or 117 or anything else rest related you want to continue to be correct about.
It is illegal for the previous posted reason other than rest.....or FDP or 117 or anything else rest related you want to continue to be correct about.
04-17-2018, 04:09 PM
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04-17-2018, 05:36 PM
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Here's the issue, it isn't long as a FO to hold a line at SkyWest, at any base, the rub comes when you want/need to upgrade to further your career or make a living income. There are Captains I know with nearly 10 years seniority who are barely holding West coast bases, let alone a line.
If LA is a priority Compass is the way to go.
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04-18-2018, 05:56 AM
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Am I reading it correctly that it would be several months to hold ORD or DEN as a new hire?
04-18-2018, 06:49 AM
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Pretty sure ORD can be held right away for a FO on both the CRJ or ERJ
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