Skywest v2.0
03-29-2018, 09:45 AM
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,101
03-29-2018, 09:46 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 104
Coming here because you have to wait to get into RAH or 9E will only hurt our chances during the ongoing negotiations. Honest truth of the whole situation. Enjoy your summer and wait to see how this shakes out for a few months, unless you want to help solidify SkyWest’s demise.
03-29-2018, 09:56 AM
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 19
Coming here because you have to wait to get into RAH or 9E will only hurt our chances during the ongoing negotiations. Honest truth of the whole situation. Enjoy your summer and wait to see how this shakes out for a few months, unless you want to help solidify SkyWest’s demise.
03-29-2018, 10:35 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,111
I’m pretty sure 175 staffing is already mostly in place for those new airplane deliveries. Using those new 175 deliveries is pretty weak leverage for pay talks. We need bodies in class for the CRJ.
03-29-2018, 12:20 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Downward Dog
Posts: 1,875
Obviously over the next decade these companies can change their business models but for now they depend on each other.
Without regionals, ULCC/LCC/SWA would have many many airplanes on order. Even before LCCs fully turn their eyes trans-ocean, Legacies are seeing their best profit growth in the domestic market...using cheap labor.
Record profits will continue as long as the business model of cheap contracted labor continues. The common point in the last few pages is - “why would this continue?”
Won’t the worker bees move on to “major partners” competitor?
03-29-2018, 12:36 PM
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,101
Momentum,or perhaps it's reciprocal, inertia. While the writing has been on the wall for the academics for years, just because of the demographics, a lot of those people who benefitted from this model in the past were and still are in denial about the future. Many - both worker bees and the hive aristocracy - will continue to keep their heads in the sand (a different saying actually comes to mind) as long as possible. It's only human nature.
03-29-2018, 12:42 PM
Endless Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: E190 FO
Posts: 386
03-29-2018, 03:07 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,283
This is the pay scale for a Spirit FO for the three different Airbus models they fly:
3 112 112 112
2 104 104 104
1 56 56 56
These are their hiring requirements:
Minimums: 2,000 Total Time in Fixed Wing Aircraft 1,000 Multi-engine Aircraft
Preferred: 3,000 Total Time in Fixed Wing Aircraft 1,500 in multi-engine, multi-crew, turboprop or jet aircraft
....
It would seem like all of the captains and upgrade qualified FOs at Skywest qualify. Time for the management of the regional airlines, ALL OF THE REGIONAL AIRLINES INCLUDING SKYWEST,to deal with today's reality.
3 112 112 112
2 104 104 104
1 56 56 56
These are their hiring requirements:
Minimums: 2,000 Total Time in Fixed Wing Aircraft 1,000 Multi-engine Aircraft
Preferred: 3,000 Total Time in Fixed Wing Aircraft 1,500 in multi-engine, multi-crew, turboprop or jet aircraft
....
It would seem like all of the captains and upgrade qualified FOs at Skywest qualify. Time for the management of the regional airlines, ALL OF THE REGIONAL AIRLINES INCLUDING SKYWEST,to deal with today's reality.
Spirit year 2-3 equals 20 year regional. I think the writing is on the wall for the regional model unless some big changes are made, and I’m not talking a token interview with big.
03-29-2018, 03:25 PM
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,017
Everyone affiliated.
Obviously over the next decade these companies can change their business models but for now they depend on each other.
Without regionals, ULCC/LCC/SWA would have many many airplanes on order. Even before LCCs fully turn their eyes trans-ocean, Legacies are seeing their best profit growth in the domestic market...using cheap labor.
Record profits will continue as long as the business model of cheap contracted labor continues. The common point in the last few pages is - “why would this continue?”
Won’t the worker bees move on to “major partners” competitor?
Obviously over the next decade these companies can change their business models but for now they depend on each other.
Without regionals, ULCC/LCC/SWA would have many many airplanes on order. Even before LCCs fully turn their eyes trans-ocean, Legacies are seeing their best profit growth in the domestic market...using cheap labor.
Record profits will continue as long as the business model of cheap contracted labor continues. The common point in the last few pages is - “why would this continue?”
Won’t the worker bees move on to “major partners” competitor?
But if it push came to shove, the majors would just buy RJ's and have their own pilots fly them. Wages would be higher, profits lower, and some destinations would be dropped (unless they can have Lakes do it via EAS... oh wait a minute
)One of the things the majors used to like about regionals was the farm league aspect... they could hire folks after they developed a track record in 121. But with flows, ab initio, and all the hiring shenanigans I don't think that matters any more.
They could at least keep RJ FO fairly low, since that would would be noobs anyway.
Pretty sure fuel, not labor, is the highest cost for airlines these days (pre 9/11 it was labor).
03-29-2018, 03:44 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,283
They could at least keep RJ FO fairly low, since that would would be noobs anyway.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
