Odds of Skywest or Compass bumping Yr1 Pay?
12-30-2015, 01:38 AM
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Endeavor has hundreds that have already passed the interview. Those pilots basically have flow rights.
12-30-2015, 02:51 AM
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Endeavor pays all of their payscales an extra $22,000+/year. Unless you really wanted to live in a Compass/Skywest only base for less pay, you are talking tens of thousands of dollars less at those companies versus Endeavor. Basically, Compass/Skywest raised first year pay only, while Endeavor raised all of their payscales a significant amount more than Compass/Skywest raised their first year by. This equals compounding earnings, year 2 and beyond.
Add in that Endeavor is adding airplanes, has hundreds of pilots with guaranteed slots at Delta and that the Compass flow is over, I would pick Endeavor over Compass if I were making a leap to the regionals right now.
I would be suspicious of pilots stating otherwise, since their motives may be to get you in a seat behind them, so they can secure the staffing needed behind them so they can upgrade. It's an unfortunate truth that is occurring now with the regionals struggling to staff their airlines and something prospective new hires will need to shift through the noise to see the reality of what they are getting into.
Add in that Endeavor is adding airplanes, has hundreds of pilots with guaranteed slots at Delta and that the Compass flow is over, I would pick Endeavor over Compass if I were making a leap to the regionals right now.
I would be suspicious of pilots stating otherwise, since their motives may be to get you in a seat behind them, so they can secure the staffing needed behind them so they can upgrade. It's an unfortunate truth that is occurring now with the regionals struggling to staff their airlines and something prospective new hires will need to shift through the noise to see the reality of what they are getting into.
12-30-2015, 04:42 AM
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12-30-2015, 04:44 AM
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Correct, there was not a massive pay scale change at all. Bonuses were added and bonuses expire and can be canceled.
12-30-2015, 04:46 AM
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What would it take for that to happen, or can they not because of current contracts with labor? Not sure how all that works. I guess what I am asking is if there is a chance either one will (or even can, legally) bump the pay to match or exceed Endeavor's new pay package? Thanks in advance
12-30-2015, 05:01 AM
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My compliments, sir. I have lurked and been reading around here quite a bit and your posts are consistently honest, genuine, and without agenda or rancor. I very much appreciate them and you.
What you say is entirely logical and the math cannot be refuted. The extra $60K between now and the end of 2018 is very significant indeed. Especially were the economy/markets to take a hit between now and then, making up for (or at least mitigating) any losses in a 401K. It's is essentially getting paid for 4 years while only working 3.
Also, regardless of what happens after the expiration of the bonus at the end of 2018, one is still $50-$60k to the better no matter what happens after that. For the new-hire for whom all else is essentially equal, this is a no-brainer.
12-30-2015, 07:24 AM
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I would be suspicious of pilots stating otherwise, since their motives may be to get you in a seat behind them, so they can secure the staffing needed behind them so they can upgrade. It's an unfortunate truth that is occurring now with the regionals struggling to staff their airlines and something prospective new hires will need to shift through the noise to see the reality of what they are getting into.
That could certainly happen at some point in the future, but probably only after the majors start hiring 1500 hour pilots wholesale. But I suspect the majors, knowing that doing so would kill the regionals, would just do a transition program to wind down the regionals and transfer most regional pilots to mainline.
A $22K bonus could mean a lot to somebody who's in debt and doesn't want to torpedo his major airline prospects by filing BK. Or a guy with three kids and a stay-at-home wife.
But for many folks $22K is not worth living in or commuting to a crappy base, or working for a POS company. Especially since it's a discretionary BONUS, and is not guaranteed to be in the pay scale forever. $22K will not pay for your divorce either.
It's no longer 1988...$22K is just beer money. Some people need beer money, some don't.
But there's no need to argue over it, those who actually need the money know who they are.
12-30-2015, 07:34 AM
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There are hundreds of great pilots that have been shot down too. There are just as many downs as there are ups to that place.
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