SkyWest Call SAPA
#11
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It might not be a 100% true, but it's running really close.
#13
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Not a SAPA cheerleader by any stretch, but that statement is not 100% true. I think SAPA and the reps do a lot of stuff. Company keeps them busy running around putting out fires. But we as a pilot group do not want to give them the tools to really help us. Either because we believe the BS union propaganda on SWOL, or we are too cheap to give up 2%. Meanwhile, the company will just pencil whip some new rule change that will cost us 5% of our pay, and we will whine that SAPA doesn't do anything to stop it.
Hard fact is that they wouldn't be able to just make changes to our "contract" if it was a true contract. So we will just continue to watch our relative seniority just get "chipped" away and work more days each month. Get more hours forced down our throats, and get to have that personal call from MT when we time out so he can explain to us individually why we are not going to be pay protected.
We lost 43 pilots in Feb and my bet is we lose at least 60 in March.
Hard fact is that they wouldn't be able to just make changes to our "contract" if it was a true contract. So we will just continue to watch our relative seniority just get "chipped" away and work more days each month. Get more hours forced down our throats, and get to have that personal call from MT when we time out so he can explain to us individually why we are not going to be pay protected.
We lost 43 pilots in Feb and my bet is we lose at least 60 in March.
Fact is that even if you have a union, there will always be people complaining that the entity doesn't do anything for the pilots. But to say that they couldn't change the contract isn't true. Think of everything that your management has just changed, reinterpreted, ignored, or just implemented unilaterally. With a contract in place, you have a place to start with. This is why on the xjt contract there are 37 MOUs, 9 LOAs, and several side letters. Each one of those was because management wanted to change something so the two parties sat down and ironed out a mutually agreed upon solution. For example, the last MOU, which is on EFBs, came about the two side negotiating something favorable for both sides.
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Rinse, wash, repeat....
#15
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You are correct. I should have said that they couldn't just change our "contract" without any input from us. My point was that they make these changes like PBS buffers or not stacking trips without any input, consideration or care from the pilot group. We cry "SAPA you don't do anything!!" SAPA goes to MT and says, "Hey it would be really helpful for the company if you reduced these buffers, or allowed pilots to pickup round trips. You know, since we have 2 reserves system wide" MT thinks to himself "If the pilots are wanting this, it must be bad for the company. Since their main objective is to screw the company over. SAPA, go to hell" SAPA comes back to the pilot group and says "Sorry guys, we told them and they said to **** off" And our pilot group says "Man, SAPA sucks. They don't do anything for us. No way I am going to pay 2% for a union, because when I was at another crappy regional it was way worse than it is here"
Rinse, wash, repeat....
Rinse, wash, repeat....
#16
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I agree. But for not taking extra block hours our reserve lines are slim for April....
#17
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I get it. We are doing upgrades and hiring like gangbusters as opposed to other regionals. There is a lot to be thankful for and positive compared to other regionals. But I am tired of the lack of respect shown by our leadership towards the pilots. They don't care that PBS is ignoring seniority. They don't care that everyone is only getting 10-12 days off. They don't care that we negotiated in good faith a 1 year agreement and now there is no penalty to stalling.
I really had no desire to go anywhere else, but this company is no longer the one I worked so hard to get hired by. Congrats on the optimism that better days are ahead, but that's a song I have been singing for to long and it's time to pull the cord. Add one more pilot to the list that the regional BS has killed any passion for flying.
#18
Have heaed from multiple reliable sources (AK, TG, GM) that skywest knows that it needs to be better staffed with pilots so it has tripped recruiting efforts and stopped accepting additional block hours until we're properly staffed. They hired 64 in Feb and already have about 70 lined up for March. So I think they're aware of the issues and taking actual steps to fix it. Will it be better overnight? Nope, but I'm not giving up on this place yet.
Guys who have either left or have put in their notice 2 weeks into March.
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SkyWest Call SAPA
You are correct. I should have said that they couldn't just change our "contract" without any input from us. My point was that they make these changes like PBS buffers or not stacking trips without any input, consideration or care from the pilot group. We cry "SAPA you don't do anything!!" SAPA goes to MT and says, "Hey it would be really helpful for the company if you reduced these buffers, or allowed pilots to pickup round trips. You know, since we have 2 reserves system wide" MT thinks to himself "If the pilots are wanting this, it must be bad for the company. Since their main objective is to screw the company over. SAPA, go to hell" SAPA comes back to the pilot group and says "Sorry guys, we told them and they said to **** off" And our pilot group says "Man, SAPA sucks. They don't do anything for us. No way I am going to pay 2% for a union, because when I was at another crappy regional it was way worse than it is here"
Rinse, wash, repeat....
Rinse, wash, repeat....
Good point. But when the company wants something, then the 1.9% prevents them from unilaterally implementing it and instead you get to negotiate for something that is win/win. In other words, it gets you a seat at the adult table. No more being treated like a kid and told something to make you go away with your silly ideas.
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