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From SAPA site:
Gone for Feb:
28 CA
29 FO
Peak retirements for pilots won't even hit till 2020, Republic refugees are retreads, and when they aren't coming, what then? More A/C means more pilots needed. "Haven't had a hard time recruiting" who are you kidding? There is no interview and training is culling out the unseats at Level D simulator costs. 70-100 a month, when a third of the F/Os are washing out in new hire training. When SGU runs out of new fodder, wachoo gonna do, remember your CRJ flows, remember packs and probes, good to go.

Squallrider

No interview? Riiiight. Strange how we keep finding people??? You think people at expressjet, republic and envoy are just going to say screw it and be unemployed or make a move to keep money coming in.

The flows I remember but its been a while since the FFOD checks...really doubt ill need to revisit that tho

zondaracer

Not quite a third are washing out. It's about 5-8 per month which is still a significant number.

Squallrider

Are they washing out or leaving during training perhaps for another job? Our training department is excellent, so they are either leaving in training or they are terrible.

Jvw700

Weak pilots??? Are you kidding me? I'm ex eagle and I can tell you we were not weak! You really have no clue what you're getting into with ALPA!!! I'm all for NMB recognition but not with ALPA! Have you ever worked anywhere else? ALPA national is only concerned with ALPA national. When President Moak told us that we had to take the hugely concessionary deal because it's the best we can get in our sector that's when I realized that they were just another political entity only concerned with themselves and the hundreds of thousands of dollars they make from our dues!
It's cute though that you think ALPA will fix all of your problems.

zondaracer

I know for a fact 6 guys in my class washed out. They would not have left if it was up to them.

Jvw700

What's your point?

Nevets

Who says you have to be ALPA in order to unionize? Do you actually think that places like Mesa, republic, TSA, or even ExpressJet would've been better off without a union? The facts are that you can have a decent contract that is enforceable. At ExpressJet, there have been about one grievance for every two years that go to arbitration. All the rest are resolved by mutual agreement. Your perception of what a union can and can't do is not correct. A union doesn't control economic forces or the financial state of a company. When times are good, the union tries to maximize leverage to get a good fair contract. And when times are bad, they try to mitigate the negative. Do you actually believe that if you could swap out your pilot group for the comair, envoy, or ExpressJet pilot group that you would've faired better than them being unrepresented?



I've been telling people to have a plan b regardless of where they work in case their airline goes extinct like TWA, pan am, eastern, or comair. No one is immune.

With that said, management actually has no problem with our vacation touch. It was part of the rejected TA. What they don't like is the vacation low provision in Asa's PBS rules. That didn't survive the negotiating process and wasn't part of the failed TA. At xjt, management is not able to build lines that average, for the base and position, that is more than 88 hours. And they have to have at least 10% reserves as well. And they've only breached the reserve percentage once (because the contractual remedy is expensive). Bottom line is that you can negotiate something that is fair for both sides AND enforceable. But only if you have an nmb recognized bargaining agent.

This is not a situation that is either stay at-will employees or cease to exist. That is a fallacious argument to make.

Squallrider

I don't think you could be far worse off than what ExpressJet is, so Im betting there are more than few people that wouldnt have minded seeing what life would be like without Alpa. SkyWest has been without a union for over 40 years and 90% of the pilot group is happy, its a financially thriving company that keeps getting more flying whilst maintaining recruiting levels.

I think your perception is incorrect, theres not a thread for a regional on here where people aren't *****ing, most of all at expressjet. Why would anyone want to sign up for something that is clearly not working out for its due paying members?

elmetal

90% happy



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