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Old 04-04-2014, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Undrfly
How would punishing the rest of the SkyWest group solve anything? He could have got hired anywhere and worked at any other airline. It's not appropriate to punish the SkyWest group. If you want an appropriate punishment, then all airlines should have to go through regular security lines for a couple months (which is a dumb idea anyway). Singling out a pilot group does absolutely nothing when there are thousands of others going through KCM on a daily bases. I wouldn't be surprised if you see bag scanners near KCM checkpoints... I know it would defeat the whole purpose but I bet if it does come up they will just say " while we spend a few seconds to check your credentials, we might as well run your bag through a scanner." Ya never know!
The TSA is not going to let this slide they are going to want blood. You really think it's more fair for every airline to get banned? You guys are all bending over backwards to apologize until it might effect you personally and then suddenly it's "oh he could have been hired anywhere." Ha Ha.. I just wanted to throw it out there and jerk your chain a little to see the reaction and you guys did not disappoint.
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If you're a 72 year old from Texas, not an issue. Hope skywest just gives him some time to reflect on his errors

Senior nabbed with gun at airport | The London Free Press
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:28 PM
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The TSA is not going to let this slide they are going to want blood. You really think it's more fair for every airline to get banned? You guys are all bending over backwards to apologize until it might effect you personally and then suddenly it's "oh he could have been hired anywhere." Ha Ha.. I just wanted to throw it out there and jerk your chain a little to see the reaction and you guys did not disappoint.
Or you realized what an ignorant statement you made and now that it was quoted you play the backpedal game....guess the chain can get jerked a couple ways.
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If you're a 72 year old from Texas, not an issue. Hope skywest just gives him some time to reflect on his errors

Senior nabbed with gun at airport | The London Free Press

This happens dozens and dozens of times a year. I think it's actually in the hundreds of times a year if I can remember the numbers I saw from last years TSA report.
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Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
You're right, Sniper, no KCM for the "purple" boys and girls and we're ALPA!
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How is FedEx or UPS not on the list?! You APLA blow hards do fine job of blowing your own ship out of the water!
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:37 PM
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Lock him up. Don't punish the rest of us.
Seriously, you want to lock his ass up because he made a foolish mistake? Are you aware of the circumstances surrounding this incident? Do you know what his intentions were or are you just ready to lock him up? It was definitely a dumb move on the pilots part and I'll be ****ed if we get KCM screwed with, but I think its a little too soon to lock the guy up and throw away the key.
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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
Or you realized what an ignorant statement you made and now that it was quoted you play the backpedal game....guess the chain can get jerked a couple ways.
No I knew it would p-ss you off. You guys are all going to great lengths to defend a boneheaded move by one of your own but as soon as I floated the idea of letting your pilot group "take one for the team" the response was instant and vicious.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by exwaterski
The TSA is not going to let this slide they are going to want blood. You really think it's more fair for every airline to get banned? You guys are all bending over backwards to apologize until it might effect you personally and then suddenly it's "oh he could have been hired anywhere." Ha Ha.. I just wanted to throw it out there and jerk your chain a little to see the reaction and you guys did not disappoint.
If there was only two choices: ban SkyWest or ban all airlines, then I would say, yes ban all airlines. However as I put in parentheses in my my follow up post to your post , I think it is a dumb idea to do either. Just have KCM checkpoints with bag scanners... Problem solved. Without actually knowing what's in every pilots bag, silly nuisances like this will be ongoing. Sparse, but ongoing. It would take an additional 15-20 seconds to put a bag through. And, for the "off the wall" pilot who does decide to bring something that could harm people, it could be avoided.

And for the record I don't work for SkyWest.
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If there was only two choices: ban SkyWest or ban all airlines, then I would say, yes ban all airlines. However as I put in parentheses in my my follow up post to your post , I think it is a dumb idea to do either. Just have KCM checkpoints with bag scanners... Problem solved. Without actually knowing what's in every pilots bag, silly nuisances like this will be ongoing. Sparse, but ongoing. It would take an additional 15-20 seconds to put a bag through. And, for the "off the wall" pilot who does decide to bring something that could harm people, it could be avoided.

And for the record I don't work for SkyWest.
I can't believe we are going to such great lengths of speculation but whatever, I'll play along....

Screw that idea!! If it was either ban SkyWest or all airlines, I say bye bye SkyWest. Why should all other airlines be punished for this guys mistake? Yes, he could have been hired and flying for any regional but at the time of this incident, he was employed with SkyWest. So if it came down to it, which I highly doubt it would, I say throw SkyWest out and leave the rest of us alone.

Do I hate or have a grudge against SkyWest? No, in fact I've met some stand up guys who fly over there and I could care less about the magic underwear that they are required to wear.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:03 PM
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No I knew it would p-ss you off. You guys are all going to great lengths to defend a boneheaded move by one of your own but as soon as I floated the idea of letting your pilot group "take one for the team" the response was instant and vicious.

I'm not Skywest, and I consider all airline pilots to be one of my own, yourself included.

The TSA is not going to change KCM over a single incident like this. The most we will see is increased random checks like the CAE screeners did.
The TSA constantly fails to find guns that passengers bring through screening checkpoints as well, nothing is fool proof. Then what about the cheese cutters for guys who love in base and ride the bus in from airside parking and don't go through any security? You think they are going to change the entire system and who knows what kind of expense because one guy screws up? Not happening. The sky isn't falling.

This guy will get investigated, and they will find out exactly what happened. I hope it was an honest mistake and I give him the benefit of the doubt. If it was ill intention then he deserves what's coming to him. But a little understanding goes a long way.
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