Undrfly

Yup mistakes happen. Like the US Airways pilot that fired his gun in the cockpit in 2008... You can blame pilots for lack of responsibility or you can call it a mistake. It's all just a matter of perception. My navy blue is a different shade than your navy blue.

SaltyDog

Agree with not mixing bags for any reason!
Not smart and causes most of these "mistakes"
Bad habit to engage in.

Firsttimeflyer

You never responded to my other post. How do you know he even paid attention to it. He may not have checked the bag contents when he got to the hotel.

Scenario:
What if he is just coming back from vacation, he used his bag while taking his family on a driving vacation, he has a concealed carry permit and put the gun in the bag. He might not have taken the gun out of the bag the whole trip, or maybe things went crazy with wife and kids as we all know can easily happen, he forgets he put the gun in the bag. Family is crazy when he gets home, he quickly rushes to get his bag packed or maybe he is on reserve and wasn't expecting the call because of his priority on the call list, or maybe a volunteer assignment came up for extra pay. He quickly grabs his stuff, goes through KCM like any other time, still forgetting he had the gun in the bag.
He gets to the overnight, doesn't think anything about looking in the pocket it was in because he never uses that pocket. He has no need for anything in that pocket. The only time he realizes he has a gun is when he goes through security and they see it. Oh **** moment. It happens to be in canada where they don't see this as often as the US and go crazy with the charges for a simple mistake.

This is just an example of what could have happened. Personally my travel bag never gets used for anything gun related because I wouldn't want a scenario like this to happen on accident. He may not have thought that far ahead. Simple mind slip.

I hope NONE of you guys ever make a mistake and the long arm of the law comes crashing down. Then all of us on here can armchair quarterback what a horrible person you are, a leech, a detriment to the career and hope to see your career and your certificates stripped away like they were nothing. That is the types of things I am seeing you guys write. Pretty sad that you guys seriously stoop this low based on a single media written article without any facts of what led up to the event.

Take a step back and think how many of your friends or colleagues or even yourself made a mistake that could have ended up badly, or you can see how it could have happened once all the facts come out. Think of your ASAP programs and the reports that come out and the mistakes people make. And not one single airline is above this. I can rattle off a list of massive screw ups at every airline that could have ended up in serious accidents because of simple mistakes.

Undrfly

You hit the nail on the head.

exwaterski

I'm not trashing the guy I hope he gets to keep his job. But I do think a temporary suspension of SkyWest from KCM would be an appropriate punishment. If you guys want to protect him as one of your own that's fine I get it. But you can also go through the regular security line for a few months.

wrxpilot

Why would I, as a Skywest pilot based in Denver, be forced out of KCM as "punishment"? That really is one of the most idiotic things I've read on here...

One observation I've had with this thread... I now know why places like VA, AA, Delta, and FedEx are making candidates take a psych profile test. The crap some of you guys write on these forums is incredibly immature, and quite frankly indicative of major personality problems.

I don't think any of us that have spoken up against the pitchfork crowd have suggested this person be let off with no consequences. Obviously this is a major charge, and if it really did happen he's going to need to face up to it. But at the same time, my only wish is that he can eventually move on with his life and not be left in ruins. How in the heck is that helpful for any of us?

I'm glad that I've faced hardships in my life, and that I have first hand dealt with people that have had their lives destroyed for one reason or another. It has instilled in me a sense of compassion, while also acknowledging justice.

Unfortunately we now live in a society that practically takes glea in others misfortune, and I really find that to be sad. This seems to have been building over the last 15 years or so, and I'm not sure why... Perhaps reality TV, sheltered lives, or some combination of the two.

Undrfly

How would punishing the rest of the SkyWest group solve anything? He could have got hired anywhere and worked at any other airline. It's not appropriate to punish the SkyWest group. If you want an appropriate punishment, then all airlines should have to go through regular security lines for a couple months (which is a dumb idea anyway). Singling out a pilot group does absolutely nothing when there are thousands of others going through KCM on a daily bases. I wouldn't be surprised if you see bag scanners near KCM checkpoints... I know it would defeat the whole purpose but I bet if it does come up they will just say " while we spend a few seconds to check your credentials, we might as well run your bag through a scanner." Ya never know!

clearprop

+1
Not enough Windex in Walmart for all the glass houses on this forum.

frozenboxhauler

You're right, Sniper, no KCM for the "purple" boys and girls and we're ALPA!
fbh

Firsttimeflyer

Should we also take away the certificates of all pilots at every airline when one of their pilots makes a mistake that gets them enforcement action or an investigation from the FAA? Did you even read what you wrote down before you hit submit?