Originally Posted by oldcarpilot

All of you who say this is only a year long, must not have been around years ago when skywest got you to take the 50 and 70 for the same rate for only a few years. Then never changed the rate back when they said they were going to.

Originally Posted by Snarge

Reading this thread is like overhearing Community College kids sitting in their parents fully finished basement, with a stocked fridge, 80inch flat screen, fussball table, talking about how responsible and engaged they are in the real world....

Mom calling down "how about a snack, boys?"

Originally Posted by rickair7777

We don't have any negotiating leverage. We have no union and we're operating in the shadow of all those who recently took REAL and MASSIVE concessions to get flying. There wouldn't have been a second offer any time soon IMO. I suspect the company wanted us to vote no so they could continue the CURRENT pay freeze for EVERYBODY and stall for another year. Maybe we'll have have leverage when the pilot shortage hits them in the shorts. Or maybe not, they can only pay us so much when we're already paid well above the bottom feeders we're competing with for flying.

I don't even think it comes down to leverage, it will come down to their need to incentive people to come work here and to stay working here.

I could be wrong but that's how I see it now. I've said before that I'm not impressed with this package. Basically I felt bad for Bro FO's. Give 'em some beer money and try again in a year when (maybe) conditions are more favorable.

Originally Posted by mking84

Expressjet pilots, your subsidiary voted 83% no and you don't have leverage ?

Originally Posted by clearprop

You voted wrong. Negotiations 101. You don't swallowed the first offer pal. There was piles of money left on the table. GMAFB

Originally Posted by rickair7777

I voted yes, it's only one year. Some Bro FO's got a nice raise, and we start the process again in a few months. Otherwise we would all have gotten nothing, and started the process again in a few months. Helps reduce the federal food stamp budget.

No way to do any better without a union, and even then we could get under-bid by mesa, et al.

Originally Posted by Paid2fly

How about growing a pair and voting NO because it was the right thing to do? Skywest is the largest most profitable regional in the world, with COLA built into their contracts with all their major partners. There is no reason for the pilot group to continue to slide backward every year when the 1% failed to keep up with the inflation rate. This pathetic offer didn't even provide the already inadequate 1%...
There are few if any airlines in the U.S., or for that matter anywhere in the world that have been as consistently profitable quarter after quarter, year after year, and decade after decade as Inc., and yet you feel this pay freeze was the best possible outcome??
Seriously???

Originally Posted by rickair7777

If I would have thought making a statement would make any difference I would have voted no.

Originally Posted by Paid2fly

How about growing a pair and voting NO because it was the right thing to do? Skywest is the largest most profitable regional in the world, with COLA built into their contracts with all their major partners. There is no reason for the pilot group to continue to slide backward every year when the 1% failed to keep up with the inflation rate. This pathetic offer didn't even provide the already inadequate 1%...
There are few if any airlines in the U.S., or for that matter anywhere in the world that have been as consistently profitable quarter after quarter, year after year, and decade after decade as Inc., and yet you feel this pay freeze was the best possible outcome??
Seriously???

Originally Posted by Flyer2000

Working at previous union carriers that were failing is no comparison to working at an independent, financially stable carrier. In addition, the regional model is not the same as it was even 5 years ago. The tools afforded, and the independence alone are worth the 2%. Not to mention whatever the winds of change have in store for the regionals.