Originally Posted by johnso29

It's called WHIPSAW. Skywest gets a raise just as ExpressJet is asked to take concessions. Skywest pilots are pawns just as much as XE pilots.

Originally Posted by Redbird611

I don't think you know how whipsaw really works. In a true whipsaw scenario SkyWest would face pay CUTS following our concessionary TA. SkyWest pay raises don't exactly fit the traditional whipsaw pattern. However, theoretically the aircraft freeze changes represent a cost advantage that equals or exceeds the value of the pay raises, according to ALPA evaluation anyway.

Originally Posted by johnso29

Is the Skywest pilots agreement cheaper than the current ExpressJet contract?

Originally Posted by johnso29

And if an aircraft freeze change savings equal or exceeds the pay raises, then wouldn't Skywest still be cheaper? And doesn't that provide management an ability to threaten transferring flying?

Originally Posted by johnso29

You don't want two unhappy groups when it comes to whipsaw. So you get ExpressJet to take cuts, then you can cut Skywest pay. You can't cut Skywest pay before you cut ExpressJet pay.

Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

Just thought I'd point out that Skywest just negotiated a pay raise, and there are no signs they'll be losing out on any of their 76-seat feed or EJet orders as a consequence.

Contrast that with Endeavor/Pinnacle, PSA, and add to that list Eagle--all ALPA represented regionals--all of which have taken huge paycuts just to maintain their existing flying (or marginally increase it).

Statistically speaking, if you are a regional airline pilot, it's becoming very difficult to argue that ALPA representation provides a substantive benefit to regional members. While correlation is not causation, I would argue that ALPA representation negatively affects regional airline pilots by placing them under the same umbrella as mainline MECs/national leadership, whose interests often run counter to the career interests of regional pilots.

Just two cents I figured I'd throw out there for discussion/consideration.

Originally Posted by CaptKrunch

Psa didn't take a HUGE pay cut. They took a pay cap 12capt/4Fo with a $1 a hour raise when the 30 CRJ's are delivered. 30 CRJ's which isn't a "marginal" increase. It's a 60% increase in fleet size. This was a **** deal but if your going to call us out for voting in this crap please at least have your facts strait.

Originally Posted by CaptKrunch

Psa didn't take a HUGE pay cut. They took a pay cap 12capt/4Fo with a $1 a hour raise when the 30 CRJ's are delivered. 30 CRJ's which isn't a "marginal" increase. It's a 60% increase in fleet size. This was a **** deal but if your going to call us out for voting in this crap please at least have your facts strait.

Originally Posted by Redbird611

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Originally Posted by johnso29


Is the Skywest pilots agreement cheaper than the current ExpressJet contract?




Yes


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Originally Posted by johnso29


And if an aircraft freeze change savings equal or exceeds the pay raises, then wouldn't Skywest still be cheaper? And doesn't that provide management an ability to threaten transferring flying?




Yes, but neither the XJT TA nor the SKYW offer change that.


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Originally Posted by johnso29


You don't want two unhappy groups when it comes to whipsaw. So you get ExpressJet to take cuts, then you can cut Skywest pay. You can't cut Skywest pay before you cut ExpressJet pay.




Okay, but the cuts to ExpressJet don't take us below SkyWest costs. We would still be significantly more expensive under the TA than SkyWest, so how exactly would Inc be able to credibly whipsaw SkyWest into lower pay? They'd know that there is no threat of aircraft transfer to ExpressJet. If they intend to further turn the screws on ExpressJet why is the current TA offer above SkyWest compensation?

Originally Posted by CaptKrunch

Funny how I never said we didn't give concessions. I said it wasn't a HUGE pay cut. Second we haven't had any indication from the company that the 200's are going away before the leases run up in 2019. In fact we have been told they are staying.

Originally Posted by Utah

Just for clarification, only about 4-500 out of 3260 pilots are getting a raise. For the other 2800 pilots, were getting around $300-400 for uniforms, medicals, and per diem. It won't even cover the increased cost of health insurance this year.