Skywest Pilots raise
01-09-2014, 05:10 AM
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PaxHauler85 is a known union kool air drinker that hates all things SkyWest. If we took concessions, he'd be complaining that we are undercutting ExpressJet. If we had a 50% increase in pay across the board, he'd complain that it's a scheme to make ExpressJet pilots vote no on their contract and lose flying.
There is no satisfying somebody like that. The sad thing is he doesn't even work for SkyWest inc at all.
There is no satisfying somebody like that. The sad thing is he doesn't even work for SkyWest inc at all.
During a time of profit at your company, they've only offered you 1%, and slightly above industry average rates for 76 seaters (for the 175s). That was my point.
Cool your jets.
01-09-2014, 05:27 AM
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01-09-2014, 05:29 AM
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if you are comparing Skywest to an airline in bankruptcy, you probably don't have the judgement to fly people around. Apples to oranges...
01-09-2014, 05:52 AM
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01-09-2014, 05:59 AM
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I can't talk sense to someone who refuses to understand the topic. Google "1113C", airline bankruptcy procedures, go over the facts of the 9E bankruptcy then come back and answer you own question...."Wouldn't you rather have it imposed rather than 85% say yes?"
If you don't get how airline bankruptcy procedures work and how it affects pilot contracts and the power a judge has then you can't argue this point. A pilot contract is thrown out the window and the judge can, and does, impose a contract that is sufficient to help the company come out of bankruptcy. He can take away everything from min day, reduce per diem, drastically reduce hour wages, get rid of medical benefits, kill 401K programs, throw out leg-by-leg pay protection pay, etc. The list goes on forever. And that's what was going to happen at 9E without the pilot ratification of a concessionary contract. That's why each and every pilot group that has gone through bankruptcy has ended up with a concessionary contact.
I think SKW came out on top here and good for them for not taking any concessions in this current environment. They keep the bar raised, it needs to go higher, but they're not pulling a PSA on anyone. Next up is XJT and Eagle. They should be getting raises across the board just like SKW did due to the record profits at Delta and major turn around at AA.
If you don't get how airline bankruptcy procedures work and how it affects pilot contracts and the power a judge has then you can't argue this point. A pilot contract is thrown out the window and the judge can, and does, impose a contract that is sufficient to help the company come out of bankruptcy. He can take away everything from min day, reduce per diem, drastically reduce hour wages, get rid of medical benefits, kill 401K programs, throw out leg-by-leg pay protection pay, etc. The list goes on forever. And that's what was going to happen at 9E without the pilot ratification of a concessionary contract. That's why each and every pilot group that has gone through bankruptcy has ended up with a concessionary contact.
I think SKW came out on top here and good for them for not taking any concessions in this current environment. They keep the bar raised, it needs to go higher, but they're not pulling a PSA on anyone. Next up is XJT and Eagle. They should be getting raises across the board just like SKW did due to the record profits at Delta and major turn around at AA.
01-09-2014, 06:00 AM
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These new pay rates for the E175 are also higher than Compass rates. They also go to 20 years, Compass ends at 18. Republic ends at 19.
SKYW. Compass. Republic.
10 yr $86.82. $86. $ 90
18yr. $109.53. $ 107. $ 114
20yr.$ 113.50. $ 107. $ 116
Not to mention the highest FO pay scale in the industry. E175 FO pay scale that is 8 yrs compared to 4 at republic and goes to 48.60 compared to $44 at compass and $37 at republic.
A second year turbo prop FO at Skywest will get 37.15/hr , more than the highest FO pay on the E190 at republic. That's a huge win and a much needed pay raise for the junior guys.
SKYW. Compass. Republic.
10 yr $86.82. $86. $ 90
18yr. $109.53. $ 107. $ 114
20yr.$ 113.50. $ 107. $ 116
Not to mention the highest FO pay scale in the industry. E175 FO pay scale that is 8 yrs compared to 4 at republic and goes to 48.60 compared to $44 at compass and $37 at republic.
A second year turbo prop FO at Skywest will get 37.15/hr , more than the highest FO pay on the E190 at republic. That's a huge win and a much needed pay raise for the junior guys.
01-09-2014, 06:05 AM
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I can't talk sense to someone who refuses to understand the topic. Google "1113C", airline bankruptcy procedures, go over the facts of the 9E bankruptcy then come back and answer you own question...."Wouldn't you rather have it imposed rather than 85% say yes?"
If you don't get how airline bankruptcy procedures work and how it affects pilot contracts and the power a judge has then you can't argue this point. A pilot contract is thrown out the window and the judge can, and does, impose a contract that is sufficient to help the company come out of bankruptcy. He can take away everything from min day, reduce per diem, drastically reduce hour wages, get rid of medical benefits, kill 401K programs, throw out leg-by-leg pay protection pay, etc. The list goes on forever. And that's what was going to happen at 9E without the pilot ratification of a concessionary contract. That's why each and every pilot group that has gone through bankruptcy has ended up with a concessionary contact.
I think SKW came out on top here and good for them for not taking any concessions in this current environment. They keep the bar raised, it needs to go higher, but they're not pulling a PSA on anyone. Next up is XJT and Eagle. They should be getting raises across the board just like SKW did due to the record profits at Delta and major turn around at AA.
If you don't get how airline bankruptcy procedures work and how it affects pilot contracts and the power a judge has then you can't argue this point. A pilot contract is thrown out the window and the judge can, and does, impose a contract that is sufficient to help the company come out of bankruptcy. He can take away everything from min day, reduce per diem, drastically reduce hour wages, get rid of medical benefits, kill 401K programs, throw out leg-by-leg pay protection pay, etc. The list goes on forever. And that's what was going to happen at 9E without the pilot ratification of a concessionary contract. That's why each and every pilot group that has gone through bankruptcy has ended up with a concessionary contact.
I think SKW came out on top here and good for them for not taking any concessions in this current environment. They keep the bar raised, it needs to go higher, but they're not pulling a PSA on anyone. Next up is XJT and Eagle. They should be getting raises across the board just like SKW did due to the record profits at Delta and major turn around at AA.
It'll be interesting watching hiring unfold this year. Will PSA or Mesa ect be able to attract new hires now that SKW and hopefully others raise the bar for pay/bennies? Time will tell....
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