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Old 01-12-2014, 08:27 AM
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First off the pay rates on this site for SkyWest are incorrect. The rates shown on here are at least a year or two old. This is what we had last year, and with no raise on the RJ will have in 2014.

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Old 01-12-2014, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
False, they're not raising the bar.

The current L-XJT CBA is better than the current proposal for SKW. It gets BETTER, the concessionary TA being offered to XJT is BETTER than the proposal to SKW.
What is it that you think is better.

Duty guarantee? You guys are giving it up. We get 2 for 1.
Premium Pay? Do you even have that. 1 for 1 on anything scheduled over 12.
Cancellation? 100%
DH? 100%. You guys have it slightly better than us. We don't get block or better. But we also get it paid every time even if we don't take the DH. You guys lose it if you don't take the DH on the last leg.

Paid holidays? We get 4.3 hours of pay even if we don't work them on 6 holidays. That's an extra 25.8 hours a year. What do you have?
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Old 01-12-2014, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AxialFlow
It's really not. PCL pilots CHOSE to lower the bar for the industry.
and you CHOSE to remain ignorant. It's pilots like you that are so ignorant that help ruin this industry. You are allowed to vote when you probably shouldn't. If only you would educate yourself first.
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Old 01-12-2014, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Utah
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Originally Posted by John Carr


False, they're not raising the bar.

The current L-XJT CBA is better than the current proposal for SKW. It gets BETTER, the concessionary TA being offered to XJT is BETTER than the proposal to SKW.




What is it that you think is better.

Duty guarantee? You guys are giving it up. We get 2 for 1.
Premium Pay? Do you even have that. 1 for 1 on anything scheduled over 12.
Cancellation? 100%
DH? 100%. You guys have it slightly better than us. We don't get block or better. But we also get it paid every time even if we don't take the DH. You guys lose it if you don't take the DH on the last leg.

Paid holidays? We get 4.3 hours of pay even if we don't work them on 6 holidays. That's an extra 25.8 hours a year. What do you have?
Has anyone explained to you their vacation policy, and how it drops any trip it touches paid? I don't understand it all the way but it sounds pretty awesome
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Old 01-12-2014, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by whoareyou311
yes keep telling that to yourself....we CHOSE to lower the bar....you know nothing
I may know "nothing", according to you. But I put my money where my mouth is and always have a plan B. I'm guessing you didn't have a plan B? Yes...you buckled under the threat of a shut down, voted in a **** contact, thereby directly contributing to the continuing decline of the industry. Why do you think your opinion matters?
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Old 01-12-2014, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah
What is it that you think is better.

Duty guarantee? You guys are giving it up. We get 2 for 1.
Premium Pay? Do you even have that. 1 for 1 on anything scheduled over 12.
Cancellation? 100%
DH? 100%. You guys have it slightly better than us. We don't get block or better. But we also get it paid every time even if we don't take the DH. You guys lose it if you don't take the DH on the last leg.

Paid holidays? We get 4.3 hours of pay even if we don't work them on 6 holidays. That's an extra 25.8 hours a year. What do you have?
You can read the comparison for yourself. While there are a few things better, the amount of times that the SKW agreement says "policy manual does not address as well as "company discretion" is terrible.

Also, what's the SKW min days off? What's the SKW ready reserve sit time? What's the SKW commuter policy? What's the SKY insurance and retirement?

Also, you're tossing in things that that may not exist in the current L-ASA or current L-XJT CBA's with the TA.

2:1/1:1? That's in the JCBA.
How about Block in/block out pay method? SKW, substandard.
Vacation accrual? SKW, substandard
Vacation pay? SKW, substandard
Days off in 7? SKW, substandard
Bereavement Leave? SKW, substandard
Sick leave accrual? SKW, substandard
OJI bank? SKW, substandard
PBS? SKW system worse than flightline or smartperf
Long call airport standby? SKW, substandard
Airport standby pay? SKW, substandard

But hey, don't take my word for it, you can read it all yourself
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Old 01-12-2014, 01:35 PM
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But do you REALLY think that if it was better that management would offer the SKW agreement to the XJT group?
According the Pipe that's exactly what management is doing.
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Originally Posted by bender
According the Pipe that's exactly what management is doing.

Like a lamb to slaughter....
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Old 01-13-2014, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AxialFlow
I may know "nothing", according to you. But I put my money where my mouth is and always have a plan B. I'm guessing you didn't have a plan B? Yes...you buckled under the threat of a shut down, voted in a **** contact, thereby directly contributing to the continuing decline of the industry. Why do you think your opinion matters?
Lots of us have plan B's. We just like flying airlines the most. So we don't cower out like wussies the second things take a turn for the worst. We hope for a better industry one day and a lot of us have faith it will get better. No one's person opinion matters more. Some peoples are just plain ridiculous...like yours.
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Old 01-13-2014, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Is offline

I believe the timing of the contract is funny. Why would they offer that TA to expressjet and then come to skwy and say here is a few improvements , when they have been asking for concessions for a year.
It's the genius of it all. Scare them with concessions then offer a pay freeze. It will seem like a pilot victory.
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