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01-11-2014, 07:53 AM

#171

Slats

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Originally Posted by mooney

also do a search of your co-workers' posts in Pinnacle threads.....

Well, if you want to nitpick

01-11-2014, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Slats

That's easy, I worked at 9L and was about to be thrown into the fun house known as 9E. I think I had a right to comment on actions by pinnacolaba. You and others haven't worked at or know the culture here at SKW.

Yet you admitted that you know nothing about what happened at 9E during bankruptcy with regards to 1113c proceedings. CLUELESS.....

01-11-2014, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGRIG

Yet you admitted that you know nothing about what happened at 9E during bankruptcy with regards to 1113c proceedings. CLUELESS.....

Take the BigRig out of your arse. I left 9E before that crap came down the pipe. Clueless, would've been if I stayed.

01-11-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound

Clearly you aren't aware of how the bankruptcy worked and I don't care about your worthless law degree. It makes no difference here. We fought the battle in court and won on 3 occasions. The judge sided with the union 3 times and finally said the company's proposal would be approved if they tweaked it slightly...which would have been way worse than the final agreement. For example, the judge would have approved paying newly upgraded captains year 1 pay even though they had years, sometimes up to 8 years, of longevity with the company. Can you imagine what that would have done to the industry? The list goes on and on. YEs, the judge could have imposed that upon the pilot group if a better deal wasn't negotiated. I think you must have been sleeping in law class when you learned about bankruptcy and contract law. It's basic 101 law knowledge so I'm thinking you may have wasted a lot of money. Sucks.

I'm not specifically speaking about the course of action taken at 9E. The original conversation started regarding the legal aspects of the 1113C bankruptcy rules, guide lines and parameters. In reference to this; did the 9E group drop the proverbial bar as low as possible given their situation, no. However, to say all options where exhausted and that you "won" is not a true statement in my opinion given the multitude of various other courses of action (via 1113C and bankruptcy contract law) that could have been taken to preserve the industry as a whole. However, I will admit these courses of action would have come at a much greater consequence to the active 9E pilot group. I was in favor of the later and also well aware of the fact that this would not be the chosen course of action so I left.

As frustrating as this industry can be and given the sheer volume of Monday morning quarter backing that goes on I tend to try and stay out of conversations like this on forums. I am going to retreat back to this idea and leave it at that. Wish everyone well in 2014 and keep the greasy side down!

01-11-2014, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 200Driver

As frustrating as this industry can be and given the sheer volume of Monday morning quarter backing that goes on I tend to try and stay out of conversations like this on forums. I am going to retreat back to this idea and leave it at that. Wish everyone well in 2014 and keep the greasy side down!

Probably shouldn't have spouted off with this gem then.

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Originally Posted by 200Driver

Sounds like things are going well! Nice job guys and truly TY! Always remember they need us more than we need them! Even though they will always try and convince us otherwise!

PSA / Endeavor still think you had no choice?

Some will never see the big picture...

I don't know if we had a choice or not, but 9E had a specific threat of shutdown if we did not take the deal.

I don't see anywhere near that kind of pressure on anyone else.

01-11-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AFOX1BRAVO

Not huge but a net increase. Small min day gurantee increase(5min) and perdiem. Longer seat locks in exchange for 2-8 year EMB FO pay of $37.15 an hour. Not raising the bar huge, but holding the line at least.

LOL! Love it...you're making more flying a ****-box turbo prop than most FO's flying "jets"! Good for you guys

01-11-2014, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Slats

I don't think anyone is bashing the culture of SKW. Yeah lots of kool aid is consumed but that's just because there's a lot of pride in the company by the pilots. Honestly management treats you better than most regionals' management. The issue some have on here is when those ignorant people post things that are just flat wrong and ill informed about what has taken place at other airlines. Posting false claims and pretending to understand what it's like to be at an airline that's in bankruptcy and being threatened to be shut down in a matter of months (straight from delta managements mouth). It's more complicated than most understand.

01-11-2014, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound

Posting false claims and pretending to understand what it's like to be at an airline that's in bankruptcy and being threatened to be shut down in a matter of months (straight from delta managements mouth). It's more complicated than most understand.

It's really not. PCL pilots CHOSE to lower the bar for the industry.