CBreezy

Has there ever been anyone anywhere that says, "Yeah, I wouldn't have asked for more money because I don't think I'm worth that much?"

weasil

Glad to hear, gives us more leverage in 12 months.
And yes the 900 rates are only paid when you fly the 900. All other time, like sick leave, sim, deadhead etc is paid at 200 rates.
So the idea is that in theory the 900 and the E175 both have 76 seats so they pay about the same.

saxman66

Ha! Thanks I guess. I won't judge whether I drink it or not.

Considering nothing, I would vote no, because of the lack of raises for CRJ pilots. I'm definitely glad we were able to lock in hard rates for the 175 and for the great rates for the Bro. But getting more for uniforms, our medical, and a few extra golden days is crap compared to a little more take home pay. I use an AME that charges $40. Paying for uniforms and work clothes is just a fact of life no matter what industry you work in. I'd trade those away for a measly 1% raise!

The flip side though is that I understand other regionals are being asked for concessions, and I should be proud for what we got. But I also know that all those concessionary contracts are shams.

So I'm still undecided. But it looks like the proposal will pass anyway and I'll just wait for my longevity raise, and enjoy my 2 extra golden days for my buddy's wedding later this year.

MatchPoint

Dear Lord my friend, you can’t possibly be serious…….

Just because you're in bankruptcy doesn't mean concessions are mandatory. Take a look at the American bankruptcy, the first bankruptcy proposal American pilots received actually included decent pay raises (this agreement came out before the merger agreement)... I know it's not Apples to Apples but it's an example that just because you’re in bankruptcy doesn’t mean you have to take it up the poop-shoot as much as your all did. Also you're contract wasn't amendable (AMRs was) nor industry leading so negotiating any changes wasn't necessary. You could have just held the line or accepted freezes but instead, just like with PSA, your jobs were threatened and you all caved. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same and accept concessions if placed in your shoes but there’s no way in hell I would have accepted anything close to what you all did. IMO it's always better to take minor concessions rather than lose 100% of your pay when they close the doors, BUT since you’re pay was already competitive you didn't need to accept the massive concessions you guys voted YES to. If you had to take concessions 5% or so would have put you below industry average but no, you guys gave up the farm and every gain any regional had made over the last decade. Now I understand that Monday-morning quarterbacking is easy when you're not facing Delta's wrath, and we all know Delta's proven that you don't mess with them or they WILL shut you’re a$$ down, but come on man what are you smoking? 9E’s agreement sent a tidal wave throughout this industry and started this backward downward slide, which means you deserve any and all criticism you receive so take some responsibility for your actions.

What you're failing to understand is bankruptcy or not, other companies still have to compete this yours and voting in these massive concessions killed any chance of any improvements within our industry. Effectively 9E pilot’s single handedly destroyed any possibly of having a decent career at the regional level. And bankruptcy or not PSA just followed your lead. Remember all other management teams around our industry could care to $@&%’s that your new agreement was negotiated during bankruptcy; they only care about competing with your new cost structure. So please don't come on here and act as though you had no choice and definitely don't spread this bull about the judge "imposing" concessions upon you when "imposing" means you had no vote nor say what so ever. That’s absurd and ridiculous since these massive concessions were approved by your pilot group with 86% of the pilots voting and 85% voting yes. And during the processes of that agreement being written your pilot group had the ability to argument their position just as Mgmt. did, but in the end it came down to a vote by the pilot group. In the end the simple fact is you all voted yes to unnecessarily massive concessions and laid the framework for PSA to follow.

Be a man and take responsibility for your role.

MatchPoint

I sure am glad you're not a member of my pilot group. You have no problems sticking your hypocritical foot where it doesn’t belong and showing your ass. I feel sorry for those who actually know you and have to listen to the verbal diarrhea that comes out of your mouth.

MatchPoint

They're not shams, these contracts are very real and SkyWest has to compete with them every day. Offering 3-5% raises will cost SkyWest 10's of millions and make it nearly impossible for them to retain and fight for new flying. Stability, growth, upgrades, etc.’s worth far more than a 3% raise; especially when our total compensation is already arguably tops within the industry. As an FO who what’s to upgrade and have a better life you should understand this. Losing any flying and not having the ability to compete for new flying will dramatically prolong and negatively affect any goals you might have at SkyWest.

History has proven that if you negotiate industry leading non-competitive wages your days are numbered.

Nantonaku

This makes no sense in the context of what you wrote in your other posts about 9E/PSA. Why don't you take concessions then? This will help you to gain more flying and ensure that your goals at Skywest are met in the future. I've never seen such blatant hypocrisy in successive posts on this board -- and I've been coming here weekly since 2007.

MatchPoint

You must have some comprehension issues then, which I'd guarantee dates back to well before 2007.

What I posted is not hypocrisy, 9E and PSA took massive concessions placing them well below average and pretty much at the bottom of our industry when it comes to total compensation. These contracts are very real and are causing huge issues for anyone wanting to maintain a high industry average. 9E and PSAs contracts dramatically lowered the bar when they should have taken no less than industry average. What I'm talking about with regards to accepting large wage increases at SkyWest is that it completely removes your company’s ability to compete against airlines where the pilots have accepted much larger than necessary concessions. You must find that balance that allows your company to compete while maintaining competitive well above average pay.

We're subcontractors trying to maintain a standard but if others choose to drive a stake through any efforts then maintaining said standard becomes next to impossible. This isn't hard to understand.

Westerner

It's a balance between remaining competitive and having a competent and motivated workforce. Seems like it works for them finding a balance between the two that allows them to respond to the changing market with a quality and reliable product for their mainline partners.

paxhauler85

Clearly I struck a nerve. Apologies for that. I just call it like I see it; and prior to that guy posting his displeasure, it was nothing but sunshine over here.

I'll leave you all to discuss the merits of this TA.