SkyWest buys 100 mrjs, options for 100 more.
12-13-2012, 12:12 PM
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Does anyone know if Silver Wings is "code sharing" with Delta? (could it be a trial run) Did or does Legacy ExpressJet already have a reservation system in place which costs millions? (whats worth more, a bankrupt airline with ERJ's or a reservation system and 2500 pilots). Scope is killing the regionals. With scope they will go out of business. Wouldn't it be nice to fly your own flag, even if it is only 70-90 seats. Independence tried but their planes were about 30 seats shy of making it feasible (without doing code share). A lot of us think our management only looks at the next six months. The road might make a few detours but the finish line is 10+ years down the road, they know where there going... CODE SHARE, it's is in the model, it's going to happen whether we like it or not.
12-13-2012, 12:31 PM
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If you're gonna change the weight, why not buy the 70 model that already fits below the weight?
Does anyone know if Silver Wings is "code sharing" with Delta? (could it be a trial run) Did or does Legacy ExpressJet already have a reservation system in place which costs millions? (whats worth more, a bankrupt airline with ERJ's or a reservation system and 2500 pilots). Scope is killing the regionals. With scope they will go out of business. Wouldn't it be nice to fly your own flag, even if it is only 70-90 seats. Independence tried but their planes were about 30 seats shy of making it feasible (without doing code share). A lot of us think our management only looks at the next six months. The road might make a few detours but the finish line is 10+ years down the road, they know where there going... CODE SHARE, it's is in the model, it's going to happen whether we like it or not.
12-13-2012, 12:37 PM
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“70-Seat Aircraft” means aircraft configured with more than fifty (50) passenger seats but no more than seventy (70) passenger seats, and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.
“76-Seat Aircraft” means aircraft configured with more than seventy (70) passenger seats but no more than seventy-six (76) passenger seats, and certificated in the United States for ninety (90) or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum United States certificated gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.
Notice how it states certificated gross takeoff weight.? That prevents them from dropping the weight of a MRJ90 to 86,000 lbs and saying "Hey! It's good. It doesn't violate scope".
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12-13-2012, 12:39 PM
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Does anyone know if Silver Wings is "code sharing" with Delta? (could it be a trial run) Did or does Legacy ExpressJet already have a reservation system in place which costs millions? (whats worth more, a bankrupt airline with ERJ's or a reservation system and 2500 pilots). Scope is killing the regionals. With scope they will go out of business. Wouldn't it be nice to fly your own flag, even if it is only 70-90 seats. Independence tried but their planes were about 30 seats shy of making it feasible (without doing code share). A lot of us think our management only looks at the next six months. The road might make a few detours but the finish line is 10+ years down the road, they know where there going... CODE SHARE, it's is in the model, it's going to happen whether we like it or not.
12-13-2012, 01:00 PM
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Silver Wings is allowed to Codeshare with Delta because their turbo props have LESS then 37 seats and a MGTOW of LESS then 37,000 lbs. Under many Legacy contracts, Skywest Inc operating these aircraft would be in violation of scope agreement even if it was under Codeshare.
12-13-2012, 01:15 PM
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Incorrect. Straight from the UAL TA
Sec 1-L-29
“70-Seat Aircraft” means aircraft configured with more than fifty (50) passenger seats but no more than seventy (70) passenger seats, and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.
“76-Seat Aircraft” means aircraft configured with more than seventy (70) passenger seats but no more than seventy-six (76) passenger seats, and certificated in the United States for ninety (90) or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum United States certificated gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.
Notice how it states certificated gross takeoff weight.? That prevents them from dropping the weight of a MRJ90 to 86,000 lbs and saying "Hey! It's good. It doesn't violate scope".
Sec 1-L-29
“70-Seat Aircraft” means aircraft configured with more than fifty (50) passenger seats but no more than seventy (70) passenger seats, and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.
“76-Seat Aircraft” means aircraft configured with more than seventy (70) passenger seats but no more than seventy-six (76) passenger seats, and certificated in the United States for ninety (90) or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum United States certificated gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.
Notice how it states certificated gross takeoff weight.? That prevents them from dropping the weight of a MRJ90 to 86,000 lbs and saying "Hey! It's good. It doesn't violate scope".
12-13-2012, 01:19 PM
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12-13-2012, 01:51 PM
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Outside of any agreement current operators have (skywest/delta), are there different rules for Code Sharing whether it be with an international carrier vs domestic carriers. I would think it would be in the interest of everyone to "code share" vs feed the mamma ships,... would it not?
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