Red97Vette

So if you worked at CA the past 10 years, after the strike, and you are also wholly owned by DAL you wouldn't think DAL management were scum bags for just shutting the doors and kicking you out in the street?

That's fine they are taking the flying back, I'm not against that, just kicking out the guys you "own" out with nothing is a bit dirty.

tom14cat14

It is because people wanted delta to take planes from other companies to take back scope. Everyone cheers for what is best for the industry until it affects them.

9easy

How senior is LAX at Skywest lately? How long for a new hire?

full of luv

Totally agree, your attitude will leak through, either in your acquaintances or actions. Taking back scope will, even this little bit, engenders anger from the regional pilots. Imagine the anger from the major ALPA when scope was exploding at their expense and furlough. Regionals were never designed to be a career and those who put their eggs into that career level are bound to be disappointed eventually on the next RFI.

Geardownflaps30

This is correct.

218 to cut as outlined by Delta press releases.

218-66 from Skywest family = 152

152 - 16 from Comair = 136 remain to be removed by 2015.

Funny how Pinnacle has 141. Sure doesn't look good for them since 1.) the all the CRJ200 leases belong to Delta.
And
2.) the press releases indicated 2 for 1 lease returns leading to 70 new CRJ 900's.
And
3.) pinnacle in bankruptcy, unless they get their costs down to the G7 level, Delta will place these new aircraft (that they will "own" the leases on) to the lowest bidder.

Good luck guys

Will

We all make our decisions where to work. Everybody hates on Go-jets but is Sky Pest any different. I will always welcome a jump seater from either airline because at this point it looks like I will be working at one of the two but I don't respect what there pilot groups are doing to the industry.

mooney

hold on.....gotta butter my popcorn...

rickair7777

Let's call a spade a spade here...

In this particular case, SKW and gojet are not the same animal.

Gojet is getting awarded new jets because they are cheapest, ie bottom feeders. You could hold their pilot group responsible for that.

SKW got new jets only because Inc had 66 200's on long-term lease that they were willing to trade with DAL 2-for-1 for larger jets. This was a 100% management deal on both sides, had nothing to do with pilots or labor costs. DAL gets to unload 66 200's early and SKW gets to keep 30 instead of loosing them all like they would in a RFP. As SKW management constantly reminds us, we are not cost-competitive in this industry (and getting less so every day).

Ultimately OH was terminated because of a decade-long blood-feud with DAL management. DAL probably would have given the flying to somebody else even if OH had the cheapest labor...they simply don't want regional labor under their roof, too much opportunity to make trouble.

tom14cat14

We really can not put skywest in the same category as go jets because they pay better then our company does. (If i remember you are former XJ) I know a lot of Mesaba guys are mad at skywest because they came into MSP and pushed a lot of us out but that is not the same as what go jets is doing to the industry.

Will

Pay is huge but that is only a fraction of the costs of a pilot contract. Work rules, retirement, insurance, training rules, all make up pilot costs which raise the price of the compensation for each pilot. All of that we have is because of ALPA and Comair pilots paved the way. Like it or not they took stand which in time was their demise. Like I said I will never treat a fellow pilot bad, but that doesn't mean I have to respect the whole pilot group.